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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>,
	Matthias Maennich <maennich@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/13] kvm: monolithic: fixup x86-32 build
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:26:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191108212625.GB532@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9a3d2936-bd26-430f-a962-9b0f6fe0c2a0@redhat.com>

On Fri, Nov 08, 2019 at 10:02:52PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> kvm_intel.ko or kvm_amd.ko, I'm not sure why that would be worse for TLB
> or RAM usage.  The hard part is recording the location of the call sites

Let's ignore the different code complexity of supporting self
modifying code: kvm.ko and kvm-*.ko will be located in different
pages, hence it'll waste 1 iTLB for every vmexit and 2k of RAM in
average. The L1 icache also will be wasted. It'll simply run slower.

Now about the code complexity, it is even higher than pvops:

   KVM				pvops
   =========                    =============
1) Changes daily		Never change

2) Patched at runtime		Patched only at boot time early on
   during module load
   and multiple times
   at every load of kvm-*.ko

3) The patching points to	All patch destinations are linked into
   code in kernel modules       the kernel

Why exactly should we go through such a complication when it runs
slower in the end and it's much more complex to implement and maintain
and in fact even more complex than pvops already is?

Runtime patching the indirect call like pvops do is strictly required
when you are forced to resolve the linking at runtime. The alternative
would be to ship two different Linux kernels for PV and bare
metal. Maintaining a whole new kernel rpm and having to install a
different rpm depending on the hypervisor/bare metal is troublesome so
pvops is worth it.

With kvm-amd and kvm-intel we can avoid the whole runtime patching of
the call sites as already proven by KVM monolithic patchset, and it'll
run faster in the CPU and it'll save RAM, so I'm not exactly sure how
anybody could prefer runtime patching here when the only benefit is a
few mbytes of disk space saved on disk.

Furthermore by linking the thing statically we'll also enable LTO and
other gcc features which would never be possible with those indirect
calls.

Thanks,
Andrea


  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-08 21:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-04 22:59 [PATCH 00/13] KVM monolithic v3 Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 01/13] KVM: monolithic: x86: remove kvm.ko Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 02/13] KVM: monolithic: x86: convert the kvm_x86_ops and kvm_pmu_ops methods to external functions Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 03/13] kvm: monolithic: fixup x86-32 build Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 10:04   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-05 10:37     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-05 13:54       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 14:09         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-05 14:56           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 15:10             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-08 13:56               ` Jessica Yu
2019-11-08 19:51                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-08 20:01                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-08 21:02                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-08 21:26                       ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2019-11-08 23:10                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-09  3:30                   ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 04/13] KVM: monolithic: x86: handle the request_immediate_exit variation Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 05/13] KVM: monolithic: add more section prefixes Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 10:16   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 06/13] KVM: monolithic: x86: remove __exit section prefix from machine_unsetup Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 10:16   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 07/13] KVM: monolithic: x86: remove __init section prefix from kvm_x86_cpu_has_kvm_support Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 10:16   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 08/13] KVM: monolithic: remove exports Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 09/13] KVM: monolithic: x86: drop the kvm_pmu_ops structure Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 10/13] KVM: x86: optimize more exit handlers in vmx.c Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 10:20   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-04 22:59 ` [PATCH 11/13] KVM: retpolines: x86: eliminate retpoline from vmx.c exit handlers Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 10:20   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-04 23:00 ` [PATCH 12/13] KVM: retpolines: x86: eliminate retpoline from svm.c " Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 10:21   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-04 23:00 ` [PATCH 13/13] x86: retpolines: eliminate retpoline from msr event handlers Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 10:21   ` Paolo Bonzini

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