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From: "Pali Rohár" <pali@kernel.org>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Amey Narkhede <ameynarkhede03@gmail.com>,
	bhelgaas@google.com, raphael.norwitz@nutanix.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] PCI/sysfs: Allow userspace to query and set device reset mechanism
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 20:40:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210317194024.nkzrbbvi6utoznze@pali> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210317133245.7d95909c@omen.home.shazbot.org>

On Wednesday 17 March 2021 13:32:45 Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 20:24:24 +0100
> Pali Rohár <pali@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 17 March 2021 13:15:36 Alex Williamson wrote:
> > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 20:02:06 +0100
> > > Pali Rohár <pali@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > On Monday 15 March 2021 09:03:39 Alex Williamson wrote:  
> > > > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 15:52:38 +0100
> > > > > Pali Rohár <pali@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > >     
> > > > > > On Monday 15 March 2021 08:34:09 Alex Williamson wrote:    
> > > > > > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 14:52:26 +0100
> > > > > > > Pali Rohár <pali@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >       
> > > > > > > > On Monday 15 March 2021 19:13:23 Amey Narkhede wrote:      
> > > > > > > > > slot reset (pci_dev_reset_slot_function) and secondary bus
> > > > > > > > > reset(pci_parent_bus_reset) which I think are hot reset and
> > > > > > > > > warm reset respectively.        
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > No. PCI secondary bus reset = PCIe Hot Reset. Slot reset is just another
> > > > > > > > type of reset, which is currently implemented only for PCIe hot plug
> > > > > > > > bridges and for PowerPC PowerNV platform and it just call PCI secondary
> > > > > > > > bus reset with some other hook. PCIe Warm Reset does not have API in
> > > > > > > > kernel and therefore drivers do not export this type of reset via any
> > > > > > > > kernel function (yet).      
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Warm reset is beyond the scope of this series, but could be implemented
> > > > > > > in a compatible way to fit within the pci_reset_fn_methods[] array
> > > > > > > defined here.      
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ok!
> > > > > >     
> > > > > > > Note that with this series the resets available through
> > > > > > > pci_reset_function() and the per device reset attribute is sysfs remain
> > > > > > > exactly the same as they are currently.  The bus and slot reset
> > > > > > > methods used here are limited to devices where only a single function is
> > > > > > > affected by the reset, therefore it is not like the patch you proposed
> > > > > > > which performed a reset irrespective of the downstream devices.  This
> > > > > > > series only enables selection of the existing methods.  Thanks,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > >       
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But with this patch series, there is still an issue with PCI secondary
> > > > > > bus reset mechanism as exported sysfs attribute does not do that
> > > > > > remove-reset-rescan procedure. As discussed in other thread, this reset
> > > > > > let device in unconfigured / broken state.    
> > > > > 
> > > > > No, there's not:
> > > > > 
> > > > > int pci_reset_function(struct pci_dev *dev)
> > > > > {
> > > > >         int rc;
> > > > > 
> > > > >         if (!dev->reset_fn)
> > > > >                 return -ENOTTY;
> > > > > 
> > > > >         pci_dev_lock(dev);    
> > > > > >>>     pci_dev_save_and_disable(dev);    
> > > > > 
> > > > >         rc = __pci_reset_function_locked(dev);
> > > > >     
> > > > > >>>     pci_dev_restore(dev);    
> > > > >         pci_dev_unlock(dev);
> > > > > 
> > > > >         return rc;
> > > > > }
> > > > > 
> > > > > The remove/re-scan was discussed primarily because your patch performed
> > > > > a bus reset regardless of what devices were affected by that reset and
> > > > > it's difficult to manage the scope where multiple devices are affected.
> > > > > Here, the bus and slot reset functions will fail unless the scope is
> > > > > limited to the single device triggering this reset.  Thanks,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Alex
> > > > >     
> > > > 
> > > > I was thinking a bit more about it and I'm really sure how it would
> > > > behave with hotplugging PCIe bridge.
> > > > 
> > > > On aardvark PCIe controller I have already tested that secondary bus
> > > > reset bit is triggering Hot Reset event and then also Link Down event.
> > > > These events are not handled by aardvark driver yet (needs to
> > > > implemented into kernel's emulated root bridge code).
> > > > 
> > > > But I'm not sure how it would behave on real HW PCIe hotplugging bridge.
> > > > Kernel has already code which removes PCIe device if it changes presence
> > > > bit (and inform via interrupt). And Link Down event triggers this
> > > > change.  
> > > 
> > > This is the difference between slot and bus resets, the slot reset is
> > > implemented by the hotplug controller and disables presence detection
> > > around the bus reset.  Thanks,  
> > 
> > Yes, but I'm talking about bus reset, not about slot reset.
> > 
> > I mean: to use bus reset via sysfs on hardware which supports slots and
> > hotplugging.
> > 
> > And if I'm reading code correctly, this combination is allowed, right?
> > Via these new patches it is possible to disable slot reset and enable
> > bus reset.
> 
> That's true, a slot reset is simply a bus reset wrapped around code
> that prevents the device from getting ejected.

Yes, this makes slot reset "safe". But bus reset is "unsafe".

> Maybe it would make
> sense to combine the two as far as this interface is concerned, ie. a
> single "bus" reset method that will always use slot reset when
> available.  Thanks,

That should work when slot reset is available.

Other option is that mentioned remove-reset-rescan procedure.

But quick search in drivers/pci/hotplug/ results that not all hotplug
drivers implement reset_slot method.

So there is a possible issue with hotplug driver which may eject device
during bus reset (because e.g. slot reset is not implemented)?

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-17 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-12 17:34 [PATCH 0/4] Expose and manage PCI device reset ameynarkhede03
2021-03-12 17:34 ` [PATCH 1/4] PCI: Refactor pcie_flr to follow calling convention of other reset methods ameynarkhede03
2021-03-12 17:34 ` [PATCH 2/4] PCI: Add new bitmap for keeping track of supported reset mechanisms ameynarkhede03
2021-03-14 23:51   ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-12 17:34 ` [PATCH 3/4] PCI: Remove reset_fn field from pci_dev ameynarkhede03
2021-03-14 23:52   ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-12 17:34 ` [PATCH 4/4] PCI/sysfs: Allow userspace to query and set device reset mechanism ameynarkhede03
2021-03-14 23:55   ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-15 13:43     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-15 13:52       ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-15 14:34         ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-15 14:52           ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-15 15:03             ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-17 19:02               ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-17 19:15                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-17 19:24                   ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-17 19:32                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-17 19:40                       ` Pali Rohár [this message]
2021-03-17 20:00                         ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-17 20:13                           ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-18 14:31                             ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-23 14:34                               ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-23 14:44                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-23 15:32                                   ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-23 16:06                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-23 16:15                                       ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-15 15:07           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-15 15:33             ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-15 16:29               ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-15 18:32                 ` Raphael Norwitz
2021-03-17  4:20                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-17 10:24                     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-17 11:02                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-17 11:23                         ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-17 11:47                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-17 13:17                             ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-17 13:58                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-17 17:31                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-18  9:09                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 14:22                                     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-18 14:57                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 17:01                                         ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-18 17:35                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 17:43                                             ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-18 18:14                                               ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-03-19 13:05                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-19 15:23                                                 ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-19 15:37                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-19 15:53                                                     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-18 17:58                                             ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-03-19 13:07                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 16:39                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-18 17:22                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 17:38                                         ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-18 18:34                                         ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-03-19 12:59                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-19 13:48                                             ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-03-19 15:51                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-19 15:57                                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-03-19 16:24                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-19 16:23                                             ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-20  9:10                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-20 14:59                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-21  8:40                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-21 14:57                                                     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-22 17:10                                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-24 10:03                                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-24 14:37                                                         ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-24 15:13                                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-24 17:17                                                             ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-25  8:37                                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-25 14:55                                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-25 16:09                                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-25 17:22                                                                     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-25 17:36                                                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-25 17:53                                                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-26  6:40                                                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-26  9:18                                                                         ` Krzysztof Wilczyński
2021-03-26 12:54                                                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-26 14:20                                                                         ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-27  6:02                                                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-25 16:26                                                                 ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-25 16:46                                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 17:51     ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
     [not found] ` <20210312112043.3f2954e3@omen.home.shazbot.org>
2021-03-12 18:40   ` [PATCH 0/4] Expose and manage PCI device reset Amey Narkhede
2021-03-12 18:58     ` Krzysztof Wilczyński
2021-03-12 19:06       ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-12 19:20         ` Krzysztof Wilczyński
2021-03-13  2:02     ` Raphael Norwitz
2021-03-14 12:09 ` Leon Romanovsky

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