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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jagdish Gediya <jvgediya@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, ying.huang@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] mm: demotion: Introduce new node state N_DEMOTION_TARGETS
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:44:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220413144434.6eedb827c629a3a7e08f56b6@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220413092206.73974-1-jvgediya@linux.ibm.com>

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:52:01 +0530 Jagdish Gediya <jvgediya@linux.ibm.com> wrote:

> Current implementation to find the demotion targets works
> based on node state N_MEMORY, however some systems may have
> dram only memory numa node which are N_MEMORY but not the
> right choices as demotion targets.

Why are they not the right choice?  Please describe this fully so we
can understand the motivation and end-user benefit of the proposed
change.  And please more fully describe the end-user benefits of this
change.

> This patch series introduces the new node state
> N_DEMOTION_TARGETS, which is used to distinguish the nodes which
> can be used as demotion targets, node_states[N_DEMOTION_TARGETS]
> is used to hold the list of nodes which can be used as demotion
> targets, support is also added to set the demotion target
> list from user space so that default behavior can be overridden.

Permanently extending the kernel ABI is a fairly big deal.  Please
fully explain the end-user value, usage scenarios, etc.

What would go wrong if we simply omitted this interface?

> node state N_DEMOTION_TARGETS is also set from the dax kmem
> driver, certain type of memory which registers through dax kmem
> (e.g. HBM) may not be the right choices for demotion so in future
> they should be distinguished based on certain attributes and dax
> kmem driver should avoid setting them as N_DEMOTION_TARGETS,
> however current implementation also doesn't distinguish any 
> such memory and it considers all N_MEMORY as demotion targets
> so this patch series doesn't modify the current behavior.
> 
> Current code which sets migration targets is modified in
> this patch series to avoid some of the limitations on the demotion
> target sharing and to use N_DEMOTION_TARGETS only nodes while
> finding demotion targets.
> 
> Changelog
> ----------
> 
> v2:
> In v1, only 1st patch of this patch series was sent, which was
> implemented to avoid some of the limitations on the demotion
> target sharing, however for certain numa topology, the demotion
> targets found by that patch was not most optimal, so 1st patch
> in this series is modified according to suggestions from Huang
> and Baolin. Different examples of demotion list comparasion
> between existing implementation and changed implementation can
> be found in the commit message of 1st patch.
> 
> Jagdish Gediya (5):
>   mm: demotion: Set demotion list differently
>   mm: demotion: Add new node state N_DEMOTION_TARGETS
>   mm: demotion: Add support to set targets from userspace
>   device-dax/kmem: Set node state as N_DEMOTION_TARGETS
>   mm: demotion: Build demotion list based on N_DEMOTION_TARGETS
> 
>  .../ABI/testing/sysfs-kernel-mm-numa          | 12 ++++

This description is rather brief.  Some additional user-facing material
under Documentation/ would help.  Describe the format for writing to the
file, what is seen when reading from it, provide a bit of help to the
user so they can understand how to use it, what effects they might see,
etc.

>  drivers/base/node.c                           |  4 ++
>  drivers/dax/kmem.c                            |  2 +
>  include/linux/nodemask.h                      |  1 +
>  mm/migrate.c                                  | 67 +++++++++++++++----
>  5 files changed, 72 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-04-13 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-13  9:22 [PATCH v2 0/5] mm: demotion: Introduce new node state N_DEMOTION_TARGETS Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-13  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] mm: demotion: Set demotion list differently Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-14  7:09   ` ying.huang
2022-04-14  8:48     ` Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-14  8:57       ` ying.huang
2022-04-14  8:55   ` Baolin Wang
2022-04-14  9:02   ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-04-14 10:40     ` Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-21  6:13   ` ying.huang
2022-04-13  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] mm: demotion: Add new node state N_DEMOTION_TARGETS Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-21  4:33   ` Wei Xu
2022-04-13  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm: demotion: Add support to set targets from userspace Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-21  4:26   ` Wei Xu
2022-04-22  9:13     ` Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-21  5:31   ` Wei Xu
2022-04-13  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] device-dax/kmem: Set node state as N_DEMOTION_TARGETS Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-13  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] mm: demotion: Build demotion list based on N_DEMOTION_TARGETS Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-13 21:44 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2022-04-14 10:16   ` [PATCH v2 0/5] mm: demotion: Introduce new node state N_DEMOTION_TARGETS Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-14  7:00 ` ying.huang
2022-04-14 10:19   ` Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-21  3:11   ` Yang Shi
2022-04-21  5:41     ` Wei Xu
2022-04-21  6:24       ` ying.huang
2022-04-21  6:49         ` Wei Xu
2022-04-21  7:08           ` ying.huang
2022-04-21  7:29             ` Wei Xu
2022-04-21  7:45               ` ying.huang
2022-04-21 18:26                 ` Wei Xu
2022-04-22  0:58                   ` ying.huang
2022-04-22  4:46                     ` Wei Xu
2022-04-22  5:40                       ` ying.huang
2022-04-22  6:13                         ` Wei Xu
2022-04-22  6:21                           ` ying.huang
2022-04-22 11:00                             ` Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-22 16:43                               ` Wei Xu
2022-04-22 17:29                                 ` Yang Shi
2022-04-24  3:02                               ` ying.huang
2022-04-25  3:50                                 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-04-25  6:10                                   ` ying.huang
2022-04-25  8:09                                     ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-04-25  8:54                                       ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-04-25 20:17                                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-04-26  8:42                                       ` ying.huang
2022-04-26  9:02                                         ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-04-26  9:44                                           ` ying.huang
2022-04-27  4:27                                         ` Wei Xu
2022-04-25  7:26                                 ` Jagdish Gediya
2022-04-25 16:56                                 ` Wei Xu
2022-04-27  5:06                                   ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-04-27 18:27                                     ` Wei Xu
2022-04-28  0:56                                       ` ying.huang
2022-04-28  4:11                                         ` Wei Xu
2022-04-28 17:14                                           ` Yang Shi
2022-04-29  1:27                                             ` Alistair Popple
2022-04-29  2:21                                               ` ying.huang
2022-04-29  2:58                                                 ` Wei Xu
2022-04-29  3:27                                                   ` ying.huang
2022-04-29  4:45                                                     ` Alistair Popple
2022-04-29 18:53                                                       ` Yang Shi
2022-04-29 18:52                                                   ` Yang Shi
2022-04-27  7:11                                   ` ying.huang
2022-04-27 16:27                                     ` Wei Xu
2022-04-28  8:37                                       ` ying.huang
     [not found]                                         ` <DM6PR11MB4107867291AFE0C210D9052ADCFD9@DM6PR11MB4107.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
2022-04-30  2:21                                           ` Wei Xu
2022-04-21 17:56       ` Yang Shi
2022-04-21 23:48         ` ying.huang

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