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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	aik@ozlabs.ru, robh@kernel.org, joe@perches.com,
	elfring@users.sourceforge.net, david@gibson.dropbear.id.au,
	jasowang@redhat.com, mpe@ellerman.id.au, linuxram@us.ibm.com,
	haren@linux.vnet.ibm.com, paulus@samba.org,
	srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com, robin.murphy@arm.com,
	jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com, marc.zyngier@arm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/4] Virtio uses DMA API for all devices
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:32:45 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2103ecfe52d23cec03f185d08a87bfad9c9d82b5.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180807135505.GA29034@infradead.org>

On Tue, 2018-08-07 at 06:55 -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 04:42:44PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > Note that I can make it so that the same DMA ops (basically standard
> > swiotlb ops without arch hacks) work for both "direct virtio" and
> > "normal PCI" devices.
> > 
> > The trick is simply in the arch to setup the iommu to map the swiotlb
> > bounce buffer pool 1:1 in the iommu, so the iommu essentially can be
> > ignored without affecting the physical addresses.
> > 
> > If I do that, *all* I need is a way, from the guest itself (again, the
> > other side dosn't know anything about it), to force virtio to use the
> > DMA ops as if there was an iommu, that is, use whatever dma ops were
> > setup by the platform for the pci device.
> 
> In that case just setting VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM in the flags should
> do the work (even if that isn't strictly what the current definition
> of the flag actually means).  On the qemu side you'll need to make
> sure you have a way to set VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM without emulating
> an iommu, but with code to take dma offsets into account if your
> plaform has any (various power plaforms seem to have them, not sure
> if it affects your config).

Something like that yes. I prefer a slightly different way, see below,
any but in both cases, it should alleviate your concerns since it means
there would be no particular mucking around with DMA ops at all, virtio
would just use whatever "normal" ops we establish for all PCI devices
on that platform, which will be standard ones.

(swiotlb ones today and the new "integrates" ones you're cooking
tomorrow).

As for the flag itself, while we could set it from qemu when we get
notified that the guest is going secure, both Michael and I think it's
rather gross, it requires qemu to go iterate all virtio devices and
"poke" something into them.

It also means qemu will need some other internal nasty flag that says
"set that bit but don't do iommu".

It's nicer if we have a way in the guest virtio driver to do something
along the lines of

	if ((flags & VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM) || arch_virtio_wants_dma_ops())

Which would have the same effect and means the issue is entirely
contained in the guest.

Cheers,
Ben.



  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-07 20:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-20  3:59 [RFC 0/4] Virtio uses DMA API for all devices Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20  3:59 ` [RFC 1/4] virtio: Define virtio_direct_dma_ops structure Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-30  9:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-31  4:01     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20  3:59 ` [RFC 2/4] virtio: Override device's DMA OPS with virtio_direct_dma_ops selectively Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-28  8:56   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-28 21:16     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30  4:15       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-30  9:30       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-31  6:39         ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-30  9:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-31  7:00     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20  3:59 ` [RFC 3/4] virtio: Force virtio core to use DMA API callbacks for all virtio devices Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20  3:59 ` [RFC 4/4] virtio: Add platform specific DMA API translation for virito devices Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20 13:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-23  2:16     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-25  4:30       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-25 13:31       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-20 13:16 ` [RFC 0/4] Virtio uses DMA API for all devices Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-23  6:28   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-23  9:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-25  3:26       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-27 11:31         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-28  8:37           ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-27  9:58 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-27 10:58   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-30  9:34   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-30 10:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 11:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-30 13:26         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-31 17:30           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-31 20:36             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-01  8:16               ` Will Deacon
2018-08-01  8:36                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-01  9:05                   ` Will Deacon
2018-08-01 22:41                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-01 22:35                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 15:24                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 15:41                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 16:01                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 17:19                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 17:53                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 20:52                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 21:13                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 21:51                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-03  7:05                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-03 15:58                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-03 16:02                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-03 18:58                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  8:21                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-05  1:10                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  7:29                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-05 21:16                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05 21:30                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06  9:42                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 19:52                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  6:21                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:42                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07 13:55                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07 20:32                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2018-08-08  6:31                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-08 10:07                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-08 12:30                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-08 13:18                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-08 20:31                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-08 22:13                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-09  2:00                                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-09  5:40                                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-07  0:09                                                                           ` Jiandi An
2018-09-10  6:19                                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-10  8:53                                                                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-08-03 19:07                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-04  1:11                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  1:16                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  0:22                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-05  4:52                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 13:46                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 19:56                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 20:35                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 21:26                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 21:46                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 22:13                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 23:16                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 23:45                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-07  0:18                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  6:32                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:27                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:44                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  6:18                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:16                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 23:18                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  6:12                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-04  1:18                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  1:22                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  0:23                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-03 19:17                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-04  8:15                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-05  0:09                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-05  1:11                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  7:25                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-05  0:53                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  0:27                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 14:05                   ` Will Deacon
2018-08-01 21:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 15:33                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 20:53                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-03  7:06                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-02 20:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-03  2:41   ` Jason Wang
2018-08-03 19:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-04  1:21       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  0:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06  9:02           ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-08-06 13:36             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 15:24               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 16:06                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 16:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 16:13                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 16:34                       ` Christoph Hellwig

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