From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631C1ECE564 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 08:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE88214AB for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 08:53:43 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 0CE88214AB Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lichtvoll.de Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728079AbeIQOUH (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Sep 2018 10:20:07 -0400 Received: from mondschein.lichtvoll.de ([194.150.191.11]:32891 "EHLO mail.lichtvoll.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727170AbeIQOUG (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Sep 2018 10:20:06 -0400 Authentication-Results: auth=pass smtp.auth=martin smtp.mailfrom=martin@lichtvoll.de Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lichtvoll.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 66DD53AEAEF; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 10:53:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Steigerwald To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?W+KApl0=?= an apology, and a maintainership note Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 10:53:32 +0200 Message-ID: <2936237.GcMzexieOU@merkaba> In-Reply-To: <2882117.Jnuu2veLAZ@merkaba> References: <2882117.Jnuu2veLAZ@merkaba> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Martin Steigerwald - 17.09.18, 09:57: > Dear Linus. > > Linus Torvalds - 16.09.18, 21:22: > > This is my reality. I am not an emotionally empathetic kind of > > person and that probably doesn't come as a big surprise to anybody. > > Least of all me. The fact that I then misread people and don't > > realize (for years) how badly I've judged a situation and > > contributed to an unprofessional environment is not good. > > > > This week people in our community confronted me about my lifetime of > > not understanding emotions. My flippant attacks in emails have been > > both unprofessional and uncalled for. Especially at times when I > > made it personal. In my quest for a better patch, this made sense > > to me. I know now this was not OK and I am truly sorry. > > > > The above is basically a long-winded way to get to the somewhat > > painful personal admission that hey, I need to change some of my > > behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal > > behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development > > entirely. > > I applaud you for the courage to go the bold step you have gone with > this mail. I can imagine coming up with this mail has been challenging > for you. > > Your step provides a big chance for a shift to happen towards a more > welcoming and friendly Linux kernel community. From what I saw here as > mostly someone who tests rc kernels and as mostly a by-stander of > kernel development you may not be the only one here having challenges > to deal with emotions. That written: Quite some of the rude mails that contained swearwords I read from you have been about code, not persons. I think this is an important distinction. I do not have much of an issue with swearing at code :), especially when it is in some humorous way. Code quality indeed is important. As are human interactions. -- Martin