From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264268AbTDWWX2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:23:28 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264270AbTDWWX1 (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:23:27 -0400 Received: from dci.doncaster.on.ca ([66.11.168.194]:52452 "EHLO smtp.istop.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264268AbTDWWX0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3EA71533.4090008@suwalski.net> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:35:31 -0400 From: Pat Suwalski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030331 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pavel Machek Cc: Matthias Schniedermeyer , "Martin J. Bligh" , Marc Giger , linux-kernel Subject: Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered. References: <21660000.1051114998@[10.10.2.4]> <20030423164558.GA12202@citd.de> <1508310000.1051116963@flay> <20030423172120.GA12497@citd.de> <3EA6947D.9080106@suwalski.net> <20030423221749.GA9187@elf.ucw.cz> In-Reply-To: <20030423221749.GA9187@elf.ucw.cz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Pavel Machek wrote: > I expect kernel to just work, and not need 1001 tools to set it > up. cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp should produce some noise... Without making a big point of it, I do believe that is the motivation behind ALSA. I have used mixers for ALSA, OSS, esd, and artsd. If there is one set of tools for ALSA, that is a Good Thing. Look at any other OS. There are not four individual mixers. It should start at zero, then when you set the correct volume, it should remember it so that you can cat > /dev/dsp and have noise. The alternative approach is to set the volume very low, but still perceptible by default, say 10% or 20%, so that the user is aware of his device working, then can set the mixer to a level that is good, which the system remembers. --Pat