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From: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
To: Robert White <rwhite@casabyte.com>
Cc: "'Jesse Pollard'" <jesse@cats-chateau.net>,
	"'Florian Weimer'" <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, "'Daniel Gryniewicz'" <dang@fprintf.net>,
	"'linux-kernel mailing list'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: OT: why no file copy() libc/syscall ??
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:29:52 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FC5A7F0.8080507@cyberone.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA2ZSI4XW+fk25FhAf9BqjtMKAAAAQAAAAilRHd97CfESTROe2OYd1HQEAAAAA@casabyte.com>



Robert White wrote:

>(Among the other N objections, add things like the lack of any sort of
>control or option parameters)
>...
>N += 1: Sparse Copying (e.g. seeking past blocks of zeros)
>N += 1: Unlink or overwrite or what?
>N += 1: In-Kernel locking and resolution for pages that are mandatory
>lock(ed)
>N += 1: No fine-grained control for concurrency issues (multiple writers)
>
>Start with doing a cp --help and move on from there for an unbounded list of
>issues that sys_copy(int fd1, int fd2) does not even come close to
>addressing.
>
>

To be fair, sys_copy is never intended to replace cp or try to be
very smart. I don't think it is semantically supposed to do much more
than replace a read, write loop (of course, the syscall also has an
offset and count).

sparse copying would be implementation dependant. If cp wanted to do
something special it would not use one big copy call. I think unlink
/ overwrite is irrelevant if its semantically a read write loop.



  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-27  7:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-11  1:05 OT: why no file copy() libc/syscall ?? Albert Cahalan
2003-11-11  3:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-11  4:03   ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-11-11  4:14     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-11  6:00       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-11  8:58         ` Florian Weimer
2003-11-11 10:27           ` jw schultz
2003-11-11 20:08             ` Jan Harkes
2003-11-12 15:36           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 17:21             ` Florian Weimer
2003-11-20 19:08               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 19:12                 ` Florian Weimer
2003-11-20 19:44                 ` Justin Cormack
2003-11-20 20:44                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-20 21:07                     ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-20 21:30                       ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-20 21:49                         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-20 21:52                           ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-20 21:58                         ` Hua Zhong
2003-11-22 14:50                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-22 19:50                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-11-22 23:07                             ` Andreas Schwab
2003-11-21 16:24                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 21:48                 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-21 16:34                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 22:31                 ` Xavier Bestel
2003-11-20 22:44                   ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-27  2:40                 ` Robert White
2003-11-27  7:29                   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2003-11-27  9:15                     ` David Lang
2003-11-27  8:56                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-27  9:50                         ` David Lang
2003-11-27 10:02                           ` Jörn Engel
2003-11-27 10:58                             ` David Lang
2003-12-01 16:20                               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-11  8:52   ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-11-11 13:38 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-11-11 13:53   ` Jakub Jelinek
2003-11-11 13:58     ` David Woodhouse
2003-11-13 20:22     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-13 23:39       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14  0:04         ` jw schultz
2003-11-14  0:36         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-14  1:10           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14  1:15             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-11 14:11   ` Albert Cahalan
2003-11-12 15:19 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-14  3:42   ` Albert Cahalan
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2003-11-14 15:26               ` Andi Kleen
2003-11-18 15:49                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-11-18 16:05                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-11-18 16:25                     ` Trond Myklebust
2003-11-19 13:30                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-18 16:58                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-19  2:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-19  4:04                 ` Chris Adams
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2003-11-11  9:51           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-11 10:41             ` jw schultz
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2003-11-11 14:11   ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-11 15:02     ` Rogier Wolff
2003-11-11 15:31       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-11 20:22       ` Jan Harkes
2003-11-11 20:31         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
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2003-11-11 12:43               ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-10 12:09 Bradley Chapman
2003-11-10 18:47 ` Tomas Konir
2003-11-10 22:44 ` Derek Foreman
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2003-11-10 12:08 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-10 13:29   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-10 14:22     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-11-11 20:57       ` Jakob Oestergaard
2003-11-10 15:19     ` David Woodhouse
2003-11-10 16:15       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-11 12:00     ` davide.rossetti
2003-11-11 12:08       ` Andreas Schwab
2003-11-11 12:23         ` davide.rossetti
2003-11-10 11:33 Davide Rossetti

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