From: Jon Masters <jonathan@jonmasters.org>
To: jmerkey@galt.devicelogics.com
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
"Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@drdos.com>,
"jmerkey@comcast.net" <jmerkey@comcast.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Possible GPL Violation of Linux in Amstrad's E3 Videophone
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:27:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <415E828D.5020705@jonmasters.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041002064620.GA8568@galt.devicelogics.com>
jmerkey@galt.devicelogics.com wrote:
[ You snipped the original sender identification - the quote below forms
part of a response from Theodore Ts'o. ]
>>You should have attended Harald Welte's "Enforcing the GPL" talk at
>>the Linux Kongress this year. There are plenty of worked examples
>>where Harald and the Netfilter kernel developers have successfully
>>taken commercial vendors to court and got them to either (a) release
>>their enhancements under the GPL, or (b) stop distributing the GPL'ed
>>code. It can and has been done in the real world, with multiple
>>vendors, and they haven't lost a case yet.
>>
>> - Ted
> If you can obtain discovery and catch people with a "smoking gun."
> Very hard to do.
The smoking gun is very often obtained by dissassembling the device
firmware or program binaries and/or runing string comparisons.
> Inside some of these big companies with lots
> of money, most folks won't come clean or spoilate evidence.
It's hard to spoil the evidence when all of your customers have it.
<snip more anti-Novell comments>
> The simplest way is to add a clause to the GPL requiring people
> to obtain a license from the copyright holders if code is
> ever used in a commerical venture. There's no wiggle room --
> they will have to sign and ackowledge they accepted the GPL
> and ackowledge their obligations from the copyright holder.
I don't know what the world is like where you are (I admit that if
you're in the States you probably *are* more repressed than I am in the
UK right now) but you seem to have some extreme paranoia which seems
more than a little unfounded. The above is completely unnecessary - it
does nothing that using the GPL already does not do - but you seem to
have convinced yourself that the real problem here is the GPL.
Jon.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-02 10:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-01 17:40 Possible GPL Violation of Linux in Amstrad's E3 Videophone jmerkey
2004-10-01 18:23 ` Jesse Pollard
2004-10-01 19:34 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-10-01 19:46 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-01 20:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-01 20:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-10-01 22:09 ` Jon Masters
2004-10-01 21:53 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-01 23:51 ` Michael Poole
2004-10-02 2:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
[not found] ` <20041002064620.GA8568@galt.devicelogics.com>
2004-10-02 10:27 ` Jon Masters [this message]
2004-10-02 17:34 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-03 11:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-03 11:59 ` Jon Masters
2004-10-03 22:01 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-04 0:23 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-07 19:21 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-07 20:24 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 21:22 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-07 22:32 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:57 ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-08 8:19 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2004-10-07 21:07 ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-07 21:16 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-07 21:40 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-07 21:17 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-07 22:02 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-07 21:29 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-08 12:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-08 18:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-08 18:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-09 9:50 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-10-08 12:16 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-07 22:18 ` Dave Jones
2004-10-07 21:51 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-07 22:41 ` Dave Jones
2004-10-08 0:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-07 23:50 ` viro
2004-10-08 0:40 ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-08 0:59 ` Jon Masters
[not found] ` <20041008032034.GD3528@galt.devicelogics.com>
2004-10-08 7:15 ` Jon Masters
2004-10-08 12:38 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-08 12:50 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-08 13:48 ` Bruce Ferrell
2004-10-08 15:14 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-08 2:48 ` Erik Andersen
2004-10-10 6:35 ` Brian Litzinger
2004-10-10 13:25 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-10 22:26 ` Jon Masters
2004-10-11 11:57 ` Tonnerre
2004-10-08 2:40 ` Erik Andersen
2004-10-08 8:50 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-08 11:08 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-04 20:26 ` Jesse Pollard
2004-10-02 12:35 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-10-04 18:03 ` Bill Davidsen
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-09-29 13:44 Ralph Corderoy
2004-10-01 14:52 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-01 14:20 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-01 15:59 ` Ralph Corderoy
2004-10-01 16:00 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-01 16:24 ` Jon Masters
2004-10-01 15:59 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-01 17:18 ` Jon Masters
2005-01-07 21:48 ` Jonathan McDowell
2005-01-15 13:43 ` Jonathan McDowell
2005-01-26 16:47 ` Jonathan McDowell
2004-10-01 17:24 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-10-01 16:14 ` James Courtier-Dutton
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