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From: Paulo Marques <pmarques@grupopie.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@suse.de>,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, gregkh@suse.de, bunk@stusta.de,
	rml@novell.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	johnstul@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:36:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43FDAC54.5030303@grupopie.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0602211700580.30245@g5.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> [...]
> Side note: if people want to, we could have other "trampolines" like that, 
> so that we could have more user-level code that gets distributed with the 
> kernel. It doesn't have to be something that gets mapped into every binary 
> either: we could - if we wanted to - have things like shared libraries or 
> helper shell scripts or whatever that we expose in /sys/shlib/ that are 
> kernel-version dependent.

Do you envision this being used for stuff like libalsa, libusb, a v4l2 
lib, etc.?

I always felt that this kind of libraries are sort of "part of the 
kernel" in the sense that programs really do need them to interface with 
the kernel. (*)

If we had a privelidged libv4l2 library like that then things like 
format conversion and video encoding / decoding could be done in user 
space and we could provide a more "high level" standard interface for 
user programs.

This is the sort of thing that libalsa already does with audio software 
mixing (for instance) with the advantage that we need to keep the 
interface between libalsa and the kernel across kernel versions.

Of course, the interface exported by these libraries would now be the 
official kernel interface.

-- 
Paulo Marques - www.grupopie.com

Pointy-Haired Boss: I don't see anything that could stand in our way.
            Dilbert: Sanity? Reality? The laws of physics?

(*) Yeah, one can write programs that don't use the libraries, but that 
is just asking for trouble...

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-02-23 12:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-17 22:45 Linux 2.6.16-rc4 Linus Torvalds
2006-02-17 23:14 ` 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions Adrian Bunk
2006-02-19 11:06   ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-19 14:54     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-19 17:50       ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-19 21:14       ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-20  1:02         ` Greg KH
2006-02-20  7:08           ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-21 22:51           ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-21 22:57             ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-21 23:33               ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22  0:04                 ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-22  0:15                   ` Mark Lord
2006-02-22  0:21                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22  0:34                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22  0:46                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-02-22  1:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 11:21                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-22 14:25                           ` uswsusp & initrd -- was " Pavel Machek
2006-02-22 15:48                           ` Joel Becker
2006-02-22 16:25                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-22 17:33                               ` Gabor Gombas
2006-02-22 17:57                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 18:37                                   ` Christian Trefzer
2006-02-22 18:59                                 ` Joel Becker
2006-02-22 19:18                                   ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 19:29                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-22 19:40                                       ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 20:45                                         ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-22 22:51                                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-23  6:39                                             ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-23 17:29                                         ` Martin Bligh
2006-02-23 17:52                                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-23 18:01                                             ` Martin Bligh
2006-02-23 18:04                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-23 20:26                                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-02-24 23:42                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-22 19:39                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 19:54                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22 20:02                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-22 20:12                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 20:44                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22 20:26                                     ` Greg KH
2006-02-23  5:28                                       ` Jody McIntyre
2006-02-22 20:57                                     ` Diego Calleja
2006-02-22 21:19                                     ` Russell King
2006-02-22 21:30                                       ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 20:47                             ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-02-22 19:07                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 17:06                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-23 12:36                         ` Paulo Marques [this message]
2006-02-22 10:49                   ` Diego Calleja
2006-02-22  7:06               ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-22 15:27                 ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-22 15:44                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 16:03                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-22 16:11                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 17:17                         ` sysfs regressions (was: 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions) Matthias Andree
2006-02-22 17:47                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 16:18                     ` 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions David Zeuthen
2006-02-22 16:35                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 16:46                         ` David Zeuthen
2006-02-22 16:51                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 17:08                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 17:31                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 18:04                           ` Al Viro
2006-02-23  3:01                             ` John Stoffel
2006-02-22 17:51                         ` Al Viro
2006-02-22 17:55                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 18:10                             ` Al Viro
2006-02-22 19:25                         ` David Zeuthen
2006-02-22 17:10                       ` Al Viro
2006-02-22 17:10                       ` grundig
2006-02-22 17:14                       ` Martin Bligh
2006-02-23  4:17                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-22 18:10                   ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-22  8:28               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-17 23:27 ` Linux 2.6.16-rc4 Nigel Cunningham
2006-02-18  8:59 ` Edmondo Tommasina
2006-02-18  9:19   ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-18 10:20     ` Con Kolivas
2006-02-18 11:26       ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-18 16:04 ` Jean Delvare
2006-02-22 22:02 ` Linux 2.6.16-rc4 edac oops Mark Rustad
2006-02-24 11:09   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22  2:39 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions Yu, Luming
2006-02-22  3:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-22  6:55 Yu, Luming
2006-02-22 12:23 ` Adrian Bunk

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