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Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmc: dw_mmc: try pick the exact same voltage as vmmc for vqmmc
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:38:03 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5473EB8B.3000803@rock-chips.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFqt4rrwi940KAPyPONpjixK1730QmHEsN27V97jyHH+Qw@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
wrote:
> On 21 November 2014 at 22:04, Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> wrote:
>>> Ulf,
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:06 AM, Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Sure
>>>>> If the first card is sd2.0 since startup, dw_mci_switch_voltage will not be called,
>>>> That can't be right. mmc_power_up() should trigger
>>>> dw_mci_switch_voltage() to be invoked.
>>> Hmmm, I think you're right. Addy: can you double check if it's only
>>> the 2nd card for you? I was thinking that if a regulator is currently
>>> 3.3V and you request 2.7 - 3.3V the regulator framework will treat
>>> that as a noop. ...but that definitely doesn't appear to be the case.
>>> When I boot up the first time even with no SD card plugged in, I see
>>> this at bootup:
>>>
>>> [ 3.042234] vccio_sd: 1800 <--> 3300 mV at 3300 mV
>>>
>>> ...showing that it started at 3.3V. Then I see:
>>>
>>> $ grep "" /sys/class/regulator/regulator.16/{name,microvolts}
>>> /sys/class/regulator/regulator.16/name:vccio_sd
>>> /sys/class/regulator/regulator.16/microvolts:2700000
>>>
>>> ...so it is certainly getting changed even with no card plugged in.
>>>
>>>
>>> BTW: I don't actually have one of these failing cards--all of mine
>>> work. Addy, do you know the make and model of the card you have that
>>> fails?
>> Just as a bit of a followup, I did some more digging...
>>
>> 1. It looks as if we now have a bit of "opposite" logic for vmmc vs.
>> vqmmc. In mmc_power_up() I see that it sets the initial voltage as:
>>
>> host->ios.vdd = fls(ocr) - 1;
> That's because we would like to supports as many cards as possible.
> The policy is based upon that some cards may not support lower
> voltages, but most will support higher.
>
>> That actually means that we're going to pick the maximum voltage for
>> vmmc (of the supported voltages). For vqmmc dw_mmc is using the
>> regulator framework which (as described in my previous message) will
>> pick the minimum.
> Correct. I have thought this has been inside spec and choosing the
> lower value would be preferred to lower power consumption. Maybe we
> needs to re-visit this one more time.
>
> Here are some of the interesting sections in the eMMC spec:
> 10.3.3 Power supply Voltages
> "The VCCQ must be defined at equal to or less than VCC".
>
> 10.5 Bus signal levels
> Push-pull mode:
> Voh = 0.75 * VCCQ. (Do note, its VCCQ not VCC).
>
> Summary eMMC: VCCQ must be less and VCC, we should be inside spec.
>
> >From SD spec:
> 6.6.1 Threshold Level for High Voltage Range
> Voh = 0.75 * VDD.
>
> In worst case scenario, VDD = 3.6V and VIO = 2.7V. That gives as the
> factor of 0.75, thus we are inside spec but without margins.
* From eMMC4.5 spec:
1. (VDDF)vcc: Supply voltage for flash memory, which is 2.7v -- 3.3v
2. (VDD)vccq: Supply voltage for memory controller, which is 1.7v --
1.95v and 2,7v -- 3.6v
* And from RK3288 datasheet:
Digtial GPIO Power(SDMMC0_VDD --> vccq) is 3.0v -- 3.6v and 1.62v - 1.98v
So I think:
3.3v: (2.7v < vccq < 3.6v) && (3.0v < vccq < 3.6v) ==> (3.0v < vccq
< 3.6v)
1.8v: (1.7v < vccq < 1.95v) && (1.62v < vccq < 1.98v) ==> (1.7v < vccq
< 1.95v)
and (2.7v < vcc < 3.3v)
* And according to our hardware engineer:
All of supply voltage must have +/- 10% cushion.
* And we have found in some worse card that there is 200mv voltage
collapse when these card is insert.
So I think the best resolution is that vcc and vccq is configurable int
dt table.
>> 2. Several people I've talked to have expressed concerns that our
>> minimum value is 2.7V. Apparently that's really on the edge and makes
>> EEs a little nervous. The quick sample of cards sitting on my desk
>> shows that they seem to claim 0x00ff8000, which doesn't include 2.7V.
> 0x00ff8000 states what values of VDD levels the device supports. Not VIO.
>
>>
>> Both of the above make me feel like dw_mmc should try its best to pick
>> a value for vqmmc that is closest to the value of vmmc (and >= 2.7V).
>> That also happens to make us work exactly like hosts where vmmc and
>> vqmmc are supplied by the same supply.
> I do see your point. And I agree that it would be nice to achieve
> something like this.
>
> The question is how to do this. For sure, we need to involve the mmc
> core to handle this correctly.
>
> Kind regards
> Uffe
>
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-11-25 2:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-10-30 2:21 [PATCH] mmc: dw_mmc: add a quirk for the defferent bit of sdio interrupt Addy Ke
2014-10-30 4:35 ` Jaehoon Chung
2014-10-30 4:41 ` Doug Anderson
2014-10-30 4:49 ` Doug Anderson
2014-10-30 6:54 ` addy ke
2014-10-30 10:50 ` [PATCH] mmc: dw_mmc: add support for the other " Addy Ke
2014-10-30 11:02 ` Jaehoon Chung
2014-10-31 0:46 ` addy ke
2014-10-31 1:14 ` Jaehoon Chung
2014-10-30 11:11 ` Ulf Hansson
2014-10-30 11:17 ` Jaehoon Chung
2014-10-31 0:54 ` addy ke
2014-10-31 3:50 ` [PATCH v2] " Addy Ke
2014-10-31 5:14 ` Doug Anderson
2014-10-31 8:45 ` Jaehoon Chung
2014-10-31 15:55 ` Doug Anderson
2014-10-31 10:43 ` Heiko Stübner
2014-11-03 0:54 ` addy ke
2014-11-03 1:20 ` [PATCH v3] " Addy Ke
2014-11-03 8:59 ` Jaehoon Chung
2014-11-03 10:23 ` addy ke
2014-11-04 2:14 ` Jaehoon Chung
2014-11-03 10:23 ` Heiko Stübner
2014-11-04 2:15 ` Jaehoon Chung
2014-11-04 14:03 ` [PATCH v4] " Addy Ke
2014-11-11 4:02 ` [PATCH] mmc: dw_mmc: try pick the exact same voltage as vmmc for vqmmc Addy Ke
2014-11-11 8:52 ` Ulf Hansson
2014-11-12 18:04 ` Doug Anderson
2014-11-13 2:19 ` addy ke
2014-11-21 12:06 ` Ulf Hansson
2014-11-21 12:29 ` Jaehoon Chung
2014-11-21 17:42 ` Doug Anderson
2014-11-21 21:04 ` Doug Anderson
2014-11-24 13:29 ` Ulf Hansson
2014-11-25 2:38 ` Addy [this message]
2014-11-25 5:36 ` Doug Anderson
2014-11-25 21:11 ` Alexandru Stan
2014-11-25 5:29 ` Doug Anderson
2014-11-13 18:58 ` [PATCH v4] mmc: dw_mmc: add support for the other bit of sdio interrupt Doug Anderson
2014-11-14 13:25 ` Jaehoon Chung
2014-11-19 10:32 ` Ulf Hansson
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