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From: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>
To: "Stecklina, Julian" <jsteckli@amazon.de>
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Subject: Re: Redoing eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO) with isolated CPUs in mind (for KVM to isolate its guests per CPU)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:30:42 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6cc985bb-6aed-4fb7-0ef2-43aad2717095@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <063f5efc-afb2-471f-eb4b-79bf90db22dd@oracle.com>

On 10/15/2018 01:37 PM, Khalid Aziz wrote:
> On 09/24/2018 08:45 AM, Stecklina, Julian wrote:
>> I didn't test the version with TLB flushes, because it's clear that the
>> overhead is so bad that no one wants to use this.
> 
> I don't think we can ignore the vulnerability caused by not flushing 
> stale TLB entries. On a mostly idle system, TLB entries hang around long 
> enough to make it fairly easy to exploit this. I was able to use the 
> additional test in lkdtm module added by this patch series to 
> successfully read pages unmapped from physmap by just waiting for system 
> to become idle. A rogue program can simply monitor system load and mount 
> its attack using ret2dir exploit when system is mostly idle. This brings 
> us back to the prohibitive cost of TLB flushes. If we are unmapping a 
> page from physmap every time the page is allocated to userspace, we are 
> forced to incur the cost of TLB flushes in some way. Work Tycho was 
> doing to implement Dave's suggestion can help here. Once Tycho has 
> something working, I can measure overhead on my test machine. Tycho, I 
> can help with your implementation if you need.

I looked at Tycho's last patch with batch update from 
<https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/11/9/951>. I ported it on top of Julian's 
patches and got it working well enough to gather performance numbers. 
Here is what I see for system times on a machine with dual Xeon E5-2630 
and 256GB of memory when running "make -j30 all" on 4.18.6 kernel 
(percentages are relative to base 4.19-rc8 kernel without xpfo):


Base 4.19-rc8				913.84s
4.19-rc8 + xpfo, no TLB flush		1027.985s (+12.5%)
4.19-rc8 + batch update, no TLB flush	970.39s (+6.2%)
4.19-rc8 + xpfo, TLB flush		8458.449s (+825.6%)
4.19-rc8 + batch update, TLB flush	4665.659s (+410.6%)

Batch update is significant improvement but we are starting so far 
behind baseline, it is still a huge slow down.

--
Khalid


  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-24 11:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-20 21:25 Redoing eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO) with isolated CPUs in mind (for KVM to isolate its guests per CPU) Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-08-20 21:48 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]   ` <1534801939.10027.24.camel@amazon.co.uk>
2018-08-20 22:18     ` Kees Cook
2018-08-20 22:27     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-20 22:35       ` Tycho Andersen
2018-08-20 22:59         ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-20 23:14           ` David Woodhouse
2018-08-20 23:26             ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-20 23:38               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-21  9:57       ` David Woodhouse
2018-08-21 14:01         ` Liran Alon
2018-08-21 14:22           ` David Woodhouse
2018-08-21 23:04             ` Liran Alon
2018-08-30 16:00       ` Julian Stecklina
2018-08-31 15:26         ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-01 21:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-03 14:51           ` Julian Stecklina
2018-09-12 15:37             ` Julian Stecklina
2018-09-13  6:11               ` Juerg Haefliger
2018-09-17 10:01                 ` Julian Stecklina
2018-09-17 10:19                   ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-17 13:27                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-14 17:06               ` Khalid Aziz
2018-09-17  9:51                 ` Julian Stecklina
2018-09-18 23:00                   ` Khalid Aziz
2018-09-24 14:45                     ` Stecklina, Julian
2018-10-15  8:07                       ` Khalid Aziz
2018-10-24 11:00                         ` Khalid Aziz [this message]
2018-10-24 15:00                           ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-03 15:26           ` Andi Kleen
2018-09-04  9:37             ` Julian Stecklina
     [not found]           ` <CACfEFw_h5uup-anKZwfBcWMJB7gHxb9NEPTRSUAY0+t11RiQbg@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-03 15:36             ` Andi Kleen
2018-09-07 21:30         ` Khalid Aziz
2018-08-31  8:43     ` James Bottomley
2018-09-19  1:03     ` Balbir Singh
2018-09-19 15:43       ` Jonathan Adams
2018-09-23  2:33         ` Balbir Singh
2018-09-25 14:12           ` Stecklina, Julian

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