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From: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
To: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	"Jamie Lokier" <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: "Nick Piggin" <piggin@cyberone.com.au>,
	"bill davidsen" <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [CFT][RFC] HT scheduler
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:03:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7F740D512C7C1046AB53446D372001736187C2@scsmsx402.sc.intel.com> (raw)


> > Regarding the overhead of the shared runqueue lock:
> >
> > Is the "lock" prefix actually required for locking between x86
> > siblings which share the same L1 cache?
> 
> I bet it is. In a big way.

Of course it is.

> 
> The lock does two independent things:
>  - it tells the core that it can't just crack up the load and store.
>  - it also tells other memory ops that they can't re-order around it.
> 
> Neither of these have anything to do with the L1 cache.
> 
> In short, I'd be very very surprised if you didn't need a "lock"
prefix
> even between hyperthreaded cores. It might be true in some specific
> implementation of HT, but quite frankly I'd doubt it, and I'd be
willing
> to guarantee that Intel would never make that architectural even if it
was
> true today (ie it would then break on future versions).

Correct. If such a code happens to be working today, it would be broken
anytime.


> 
> It should be easy enough to test in user space.
> 
> [ Time passes ]
> 
> Done. Check this program out with and without the "lock ;" prefix.
With
> the "lock" it will run forever on a HT CPU. Without the lock, it will
show
> errors pretty much immediately when the two threads start accessing
"nr"
> concurrently.
> 
> 		Linus
> 
> ----
> #include <pthread.h>
> #include <signal.h>
> #include <unistd.h>
> #include <stdio.h>
> 
> unsigned long nr;
> 
> #define LOCK "lock ;"
> 
> void * check_bit(int bit)
> {
> 	int set, reset;
> 	do {
> 		asm(LOCK "btsl %1,%2; sbbl %0,%0": "=r" (set): "r"
(bit), "m"
> (nr):"memory");
> 		asm(LOCK "btcl %1,%2; sbbl %0,%0": "=r" (reset): "r"
(bit),
> "m" (nr):"memory");
> 	} while (reset && !set);
> 	fprintf(stderr, "bit %d: %d %d (%08x)\n", bit, set, reset, nr);
> 	return NULL;
> }
> 
> static void * thread1(void* dummy)
> {
> 	return check_bit(0);
> }
> 
> static void * thread2(void *dummy)
> {
> 	return check_bit(1);
> }
> 
> int main(int argc, char ** argv)
> {
> 	pthread_t p;
> 
> 	pthread_create(&p, NULL, thread1, NULL);
> 	sleep(1);
> 	thread2(NULL);
> 	return 1;
> }
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             reply	other threads:[~2003-12-16 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-16 19:03 Nakajima, Jun [this message]
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2003-12-17  0:38 [CFT][RFC] HT scheduler Nakajima, Jun
     [not found] <200312161127.13691.habanero@us.ibm.com>
2003-12-16 17:37 ` Andrew Theurer
2003-12-17  2:41   ` Nick Piggin
     [not found] <20031213022038.300B22C2C1@lists.samba.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <3FDAB517.4000309@cyberone.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <brgeo7$huv$1@gatekeeper.tmr.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]     ` <3FDBC876.3020603@cyberone.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]       ` <20031214043245.GC21241@mail.shareable.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]         ` <3FDC3023.9030708@cyberone.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]           ` <1071398761.5233.1.camel@laptop.fenrus.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2003-12-14 16:26             ` Andi Kleen
2003-12-14 16:54               ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-08  4:25 [PATCH][RFC] make cpu_sibling_map a cpumask_t Nick Piggin
2003-12-08 15:59 ` Anton Blanchard
2003-12-08 23:08   ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-09  0:14     ` Anton Blanchard
2003-12-11  4:25       ` [CFT][RFC] HT scheduler Nick Piggin
2003-12-11  7:24         ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-11  8:57           ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-11 11:52             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-11 13:09               ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-11 13:23                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-11 13:30                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-11 13:32                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-11 15:30                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-11 15:38                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-11 15:51                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-11 15:56                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-11 16:37                               ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-11 16:40                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-12  0:58             ` Rusty Russell
2003-12-11 10:01           ` Rhino
2003-12-11  8:14             ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-11 16:49               ` Rhino
2003-12-11 15:16                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-11 11:40             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-11 17:05               ` Rhino
2003-12-11 15:17                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-11 16:28         ` Kevin P. Fleming
2003-12-11 16:41           ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-12  2:24         ` Rusty Russell
2003-12-12  7:00           ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-12  7:23             ` Rusty Russell
2003-12-13  6:43               ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-14  1:35                 ` bill davidsen
2003-12-14  2:18                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-14  4:32                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-12-14  9:40                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-14 10:46                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-16 17:46                         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-12-16 18:22                       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-17  0:24                         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-12-17  0:41                           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-17  0:54                             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-12-16 17:34                     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-12-15  5:53                 ` Rusty Russell
2003-12-15 23:08                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-19  4:57                     ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-19  5:13                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-20  2:43                       ` Rusty Russell
2003-12-21  2:56                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-01-03 18:57                   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-12-15 20:21                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-12-15 23:20                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-16  0:11                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-12-12  8:59             ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-12 15:14               ` Martin J. Bligh

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