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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] killing boilerplate checks in ->link/->mkdir/->rename
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 00:42:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A288980E-6445-4A50-BF53-479A25488779@dilger.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120203170300.GW23916@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On 2012-02-03, at 10:03 AM, Al Viro wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 01:25:26AM -0700, Andreas Dilger wrote:
>> On 2012-02-02, at 2:24 PM, Al Viro wrote:
>>> FWIW, there's something we really should've done a long time ago: putting
>>> that limit into sb->s_max_links.  With 0 meaning "leave all checks to
>>> ->link/->mkdir/->rename".  Something like the following would make a
>>> reasonable start - just the conversion of obvious cases.  As the next
>>> step I'd probably initialize it as ~0U instead of 0 and let the filesystems
>>> that want something trickier (reiserfs, ext4, gfs2, ocfs2) explicitly set
>>> it to 0 in their foo_fill_super().  That would take care of a bunch of cases
>>> where we forgot to do those checks (ubifs, hfsplus, jffs2, ramfs, etc.) and
>>> it's probably a saner default anyway.
>> 
>> This would also give userspace some hope of pathconf(path, _PC_LINK_MAX)
>> returning the actual value from the filesystem, instead of hard-coding
>> this into glibc itself based on the statfs-returned f_type magic value.
> 
> *snort*
> 
> Even skipping the standard flame about pathconf() as an API, this will
> not work.
> 	* we have filesystems that do not allow link creation at all and
> do keep track of subdirectories count in i_nlink of directories.  What
> would you have them store?  As it is, ~0U works just fine, but pathconf()
> users won't be happy with it.
> 	* we have filesystems that allow unlimited subdirectories, while
> limiting the number of links to non-directories; ->s_max_links == 0 will
> work just fine, but won't make pathconf() happy.
> 	* we have filesystems that have more complex rules re links to
> non-directory (see mail from Chris in this thread).  What would you have
> pathconf() do?

No comment on how good an API pathconf() is, but getting a per-filesystem
value from the kernel has to be better than a hard-coded value coded in a
library in userspace.

Cheers, Andreas






  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-04  7:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-30 21:56 sysfs regression: wrong link counts Jiri Slaby
2012-01-30 22:06 ` Greg KH
2012-01-30 22:10   ` Alan Cox
2012-01-30 22:27     ` Greg KH
2012-01-30 22:43       ` Al Viro
2012-01-30 22:56         ` Al Viro
2012-01-31  1:27       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-31 10:48         ` Jiri Slaby
2012-01-31 12:44           ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-31 16:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-31 19:18               ` Al Viro
2012-02-01  5:06               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-02-01 22:21                 ` [PATCH] sysfs: Optionally count subdirectories to support buggy applications Eric W. Biederman
2012-02-01 22:24                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2012-02-01 22:44                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-02-01 22:49                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2012-02-01 22:31                   ` Dave Jones
2012-02-01 22:35                   ` Jiri Slaby
2012-02-01 23:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-01 23:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-02  1:22                       ` Al Viro
2012-02-02 21:24                         ` [RFC] killing boilerplate checks in ->link/->mkdir/->rename Al Viro
2012-02-02 23:46                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-03  1:16                             ` Al Viro
2012-02-03  1:45                               ` Al Viro
2012-02-03  2:00                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-03 14:57                               ` Chris Mason
2012-02-03 17:08                               ` Al Viro
2012-02-03 19:34                                 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-02-06  8:50                                 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-02-06 13:56                                   ` Al Viro
2012-02-06 17:05                                     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-02-06 17:11                                       ` Al Viro
2012-02-07  7:21                                         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-02-06 22:49                               ` Dave Chinner
2012-02-03  8:25                           ` Andreas Dilger
2012-02-03 17:03                             ` Al Viro
2012-02-04  7:42                               ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2012-03-05 13:30                       ` [PATCH] sysfs: Optionally count subdirectories to support buggy applications Jiri Slaby
2012-03-05 16:09                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2012-03-05 16:47                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-08 21:05                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2012-03-08 22:18                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-03-08 23:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-08 21:28                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-03-08 21:34                           ` [PATCH 1/3] sysfs: Compact sysfs_dirent s_flags into a byte Eric W. Biederman
2012-03-08 21:36                             ` [PATCH 2/3] sysfs: Maintain usable nlink directory counts Eric W. Biederman
2012-03-08 21:37                               ` [PATCH 3/3] sysfs: Remove SYSFS_FLAG_REMOVED and use sd->s_nlink == 0 instead Eric W. Biederman
2012-03-09  3:40                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-08 22:28                             ` [PATCH 1/3] sysfs: Compact sysfs_dirent s_flags into a byte Greg Kroah-Hartman
2012-03-09  2:49                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-31  3:45     ` sysfs regression: wrong link counts Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-31 11:54       ` Alan Cox
2012-01-30 22:52 ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-31 10:41   ` network regression: cannot rename netdev twice Jiri Slaby
2012-01-31 10:52     ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-31 11:00       ` Jiri Slaby
2012-01-31 11:13         ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-31 11:17           ` Jiri Slaby
2012-01-31 11:58             ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-31 14:18               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-31 14:40                 ` [PATCH] sysfs: Update the name hash when renaming sysfs entries Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-31 14:41                   ` Jiri Slaby
2012-01-31 14:55                   ` Greg KH
2012-02-04  2:14       ` network regression: cannot rename netdev twice Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-02-06 20:03         ` Kay Sievers
2012-02-08  2:00           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-02-08  3:50             ` Kay Sievers
2012-02-08  6:42               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2012-02-08 10:57                 ` Kay Sievers
2012-02-08 20:06                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2012-02-08 20:27                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2012-02-08 23:48                     ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-31  1:32 ` sysfs regression: wrong link counts Eric W. Biederman
2012-02-01 18:29 ` Maciej Rutecki

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