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From: Fox Chen <foxhlchen@gmail.com>
To: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, ricklind@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	sfr@canb.auug.org.au, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/6] kernfs: proposed locking and concurrency improvement
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 16:01:14 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC2o3DJhx+dJX-oMKSTNabWYyRB750VABib+OZ=7UX6rGJZD5g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <67a3012a6a215001c8be9344aee1c99897ff8b7e.camel@themaw.net>

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 3:36 PM Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2020-12-17 at 10:14 -0500, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 07:48:49PM +0800, Ian Kent wrote:
> > > > What could be done is to make the kernfs node attr_mutex
> > > > a pointer and dynamically allocate it but even that is too
> > > > costly a size addition to the kernfs node structure as
> > > > Tejun has said.
> > >
> > > I guess the question to ask is, is there really a need to
> > > call kernfs_refresh_inode() from functions that are usually
> > > reading/checking functions.
> > >
> > > Would it be sufficient to refresh the inode in the write/set
> > > operations in (if there's any) places where things like
> > > setattr_copy() is not already called?
> > >
> > > Perhaps GKH or Tejun could comment on this?
> >
> > My memory is a bit hazy but invalidations on reads is how sysfs
> > namespace is
> > implemented, so I don't think there's an easy around that. The only
> > thing I
> > can think of is embedding the lock into attrs and doing xchg dance
> > when
> > attaching it.
>
> Sounds like your saying it would be ok to add a lock to the
> attrs structure, am I correct?
>
> Assuming it is then, to keep things simple, use two locks.
>
> One global lock for the allocation and an attrs lock for all the
> attrs field updates including the kernfs_refresh_inode() update.
>
> The critical section for the global lock could be reduced and it
> changed to a spin lock.
>
> In __kernfs_iattrs() we would have something like:
>
> take the allocation lock
> do the allocated checks
>   assign if existing attrs
>   release the allocation lock
>   return existing if found
> othewise
>   release the allocation lock
>
> allocate and initialize attrs
>
> take the allocation lock
> check if someone beat us to it
>   free and grab exiting attrs
> otherwise
>   assign the new attrs
> release the allocation lock
> return attrs
>
> Add a spinlock to the attrs struct and use it everywhere for
> field updates.
>
> Am I on the right track or can you see problems with this?
>
> Ian
>

umm, we update the inode in kernfs_refresh_inode, right??  So I guess
the problem is how can we protect the inode when kernfs_refresh_inode
is called, not the attrs??


thanks,
fox

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-18  8:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-17  7:37 [PATCH v2 0/6] kernfs: proposed locking and concurrency improvement Ian Kent
2020-06-17  7:37 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] kernfs: switch kernfs to use an rwsem Ian Kent
2020-06-17  7:37 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] kernfs: move revalidate to be near lookup Ian Kent
2020-06-17  7:37 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] kernfs: improve kernfs path resolution Ian Kent
2020-06-17  7:38 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] kernfs: use revision to identify directory node changes Ian Kent
2020-06-17  7:38 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] kernfs: refactor attr locking Ian Kent
2020-06-17  7:38 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] kernfs: make attr_mutex a local kernfs node lock Ian Kent
2020-06-19 15:38 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] kernfs: proposed locking and concurrency improvement Tejun Heo
2020-06-19 20:41   ` Rick Lindsley
2020-06-19 22:23     ` Tejun Heo
2020-06-20  2:44       ` Rick Lindsley
2020-06-22 17:53         ` Tejun Heo
2020-06-22 21:22           ` Rick Lindsley
2020-06-23 23:13             ` Tejun Heo
2020-06-24  9:04               ` Rick Lindsley
2020-06-24  9:27                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-24 13:19                 ` Tejun Heo
2020-06-25  8:15               ` Ian Kent
2020-06-25  9:43                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-26  0:19                   ` Ian Kent
2020-06-21  4:55       ` Ian Kent
2020-06-22 17:48         ` Tejun Heo
2020-06-22 18:03           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-22 21:27             ` Rick Lindsley
2020-06-23  5:21               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-23  5:09             ` Ian Kent
2020-06-23  6:02               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-23  8:01                 ` Ian Kent
2020-06-23  8:29                   ` Ian Kent
2020-06-23 11:49                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-23  9:33                 ` Rick Lindsley
2020-06-23 11:45                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-23 22:55                     ` Rick Lindsley
2020-06-23 11:51                   ` Ian Kent
2020-06-21  3:21   ` Ian Kent
2020-12-10 16:44 ` Fox Chen
2020-12-11  2:01   ` [PATCH " Ian Kent
2020-12-11  2:17     ` Ian Kent
2020-12-13  3:46       ` Ian Kent
2020-12-14  6:14         ` Fox Chen
2020-12-14 13:30           ` Ian Kent
2020-12-15  8:33             ` Fox Chen
2020-12-15 12:59               ` Ian Kent
2020-12-17  4:46                 ` Ian Kent
2020-12-17  8:54                   ` Fox Chen
2020-12-17 10:09                     ` Ian Kent
2020-12-17 11:09                       ` Ian Kent
2020-12-17 11:48                         ` Ian Kent
2020-12-17 15:14                           ` Tejun Heo
2020-12-18  7:36                             ` Ian Kent
2020-12-18  8:01                               ` Fox Chen [this message]
2020-12-18 11:21                                 ` Ian Kent
2020-12-18 13:20                                   ` Fox Chen
2020-12-19  0:53                                     ` Ian Kent
2020-12-19  7:47                                       ` Fox Chen
2020-12-22  2:17                                         ` Ian Kent
2020-12-18 14:59                               ` Tejun Heo
2020-12-19  7:08                                 ` Ian Kent
2020-12-19 16:23                                   ` Tejun Heo
2020-12-19 23:52                                     ` Ian Kent
2020-12-20  1:37                                       ` Ian Kent
2020-12-21  9:28                                       ` Fox Chen

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