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From: Lihao Liang <lihaoliang@google.com>
To: Alex Kogan <alex.kogan@oracle.com>
Cc: linux@armlinux.org.uk, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	mingo@redhat.com, will.deacon@arm.com, arnd@arndb.de,
	longman@redhat.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, bp@alien8.de,
	hpa@zytor.com, x86@kernel.org, guohanjun@huawei.com,
	jglauber@marvell.com, dave.dice@oracle.com,
	steven.sistare@oracle.com, daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 0/5] Add NUMA-awareness to qspinlock
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 00:32:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC4j=Y_SMHe4WNpaaS0kK1JYfnufM+AAiwwUMBx27L8U6bD8Yg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F71A184-42C0-4865-9AAA-79A636743C25@oracle.com>

Hi Alex and Waiman,

Thanks a lot for your swift response and clarification.

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 7:30 PM Alex Kogan <alex.kogan@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, Lihao.
>
> > On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Lihao Liang <lihaoliang@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Alex Kogan <alex.kogan@oracle.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Summary
> >> -------
> >>
> >> Lock throughput can be increased by handing a lock to a waiter on the
> >> same NUMA node as the lock holder, provided care is taken to avoid
> >> starvation of waiters on other NUMA nodes. This patch introduces CNA
> >> (compact NUMA-aware lock) as the slow path for qspinlock. It is
> >> enabled through a configuration option (NUMA_AWARE_SPINLOCKS).
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for your patches. The experimental results look promising!
> >
> > I understand that the new CNA qspinlock uses randomization to achieve
> > long-term fairness, and provides the numa_spinlock_threshold parameter
> > for users to tune.
> This has been the case in the first versions of the series, but is not true anymore.
> That is, the long-term fairness is achieved deterministically (and you are correct
> that it is done through the numa_spinlock_threshold parameter).
>
> > As Linux runs extremely diverse workloads, it is not
> > clear how randomization affects its fairness, and how users with
> > different requirements are supposed to tune this parameter.
> >
> > To this end, Will and I consider it beneficial to be able to answer the
> > following question:
> >
> > With different values of numa_spinlock_threshold and
> > SHUFFLE_REDUCTION_PROB_ARG, how long do threads running on different
> > sockets have to wait to acquire the lock?
> The SHUFFLE_REDUCTION_PROB_ARG parameter is intended for performance
> optimization only, and *does not* affect the long-term fairness (or, at the
> very least, does not make it any worse). As Longman correctly pointed out in
> his response to this email, the shuffle reduction optimization is relevant only
> when the secondary queue is empty. In that case, CNA hands-off the lock
> exactly as MCS does, i.e., in the FIFO order. Note that when the secondary
> queue is not empty, we do not call probably().
>
> > This is particularly relevant
> > in high contention situations when new threads keep arriving on the same
> > socket as the lock holder.
> In this case, the lock will stay on the same NUMA node/socket for
> 2^numa_spinlock_threshold times, which is the worst case scenario if we
> consider the long-term fairness. And if we have multiple nodes, it will take
> up to 2^numa_spinlock_threshold X (nr_nodes - 1) + nr_cpus_per_node
> lock transitions until any given thread will acquire the lock
> (assuming 2^numa_spinlock_threshold > nr_cpus_per_node).
>

You're right that the latest version of the patch handles long-term fairness
deterministically.

As I understand it, the n-th thread in the main queue is guaranteed to
acquire the lock after N lock handovers, where N is bounded by

n - 1 + 2^numa_spinlock_threshold * (nr_nodes - 1)

I'm not sure what role the variable nr_cpus_per_node plays in your analysis.

Do I miss anything?

Many thanks,
Lihao.

> Hopefully, it addresses your concern. Let me know if you have any further
> questions.
>
> Best regards,
> — Alex
>

  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-26  0:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-15  3:59 [PATCH v9 0/5] Add NUMA-awareness to qspinlock Alex Kogan
2020-01-15  3:59 ` [PATCH v9 1/5] locking/qspinlock: Rename mcs lock/unlock macros and make them more generic Alex Kogan
2020-01-15  3:59 ` [PATCH v9 2/5] locking/qspinlock: Refactor the qspinlock slow path Alex Kogan
2020-01-15  3:59 ` [PATCH v9 3/5] locking/qspinlock: Introduce CNA into the slow path of qspinlock Alex Kogan
2020-01-23  9:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-23 10:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-23 10:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-23 11:22         ` Will Deacon
2020-01-23 13:17           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-23 14:15   ` Waiman Long
2020-01-23 15:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-15  3:59 ` [PATCH v9 4/5] locking/qspinlock: Introduce starvation avoidance into CNA Alex Kogan
2020-01-23 19:55   ` Waiman Long
2020-01-23 20:39     ` Waiman Long
2020-01-23 23:39       ` Alex Kogan
2020-01-15  3:59 ` [PATCH v9 5/5] locking/qspinlock: Introduce the shuffle reduction optimization " Alex Kogan
2020-03-02  1:14   ` [locking/qspinlock] 7b6da71157: unixbench.score 8.4% improvement kernel test robot
2020-01-22 11:45 ` [PATCH v9 0/5] Add NUMA-awareness to qspinlock Lihao Liang
2020-01-22 17:24   ` Waiman Long
2020-01-23 11:35     ` Will Deacon
2020-01-23 15:25       ` Waiman Long
2020-01-23 19:08         ` Waiman Long
2020-01-22 19:29   ` Alex Kogan
2020-01-26  0:32     ` Lihao Liang [this message]
2020-01-26  1:58       ` Lihao Liang
2020-01-27 16:01         ` Alex Kogan
2020-01-29  1:39           ` Lihao Liang
2020-01-27  6:16       ` Alex Kogan
2020-01-24 22:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]   ` <6AAE7FC6-F5DE-4067-8BC4-77F27948CD09@oracle.com>
2020-01-25  0:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-25  1:59       ` Waiman Long
     [not found]         ` <adb4fb09-f374-4d64-096b-ba9ad8b35fd5@redhat.com>
2020-01-25  4:58           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-25 19:41             ` Waiman Long
2020-01-26 15:35               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-26 22:42                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-26 23:32                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-27  6:04                   ` Alex Kogan
2020-01-27 14:11                   ` Waiman Long
2020-01-27 15:09                     ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                       ` <9b3a3f16-5405-b6d1-d023-b85f4aab46dd@redhat.com>
2020-01-27 17:17                         ` Waiman Long

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