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From: Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>, Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/4] x86/percpu: Use C for percpu read/write accessors
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 22:22:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFULd4b2vmJrUReQw1TXvndzB=DfmHOvNwM9=bU_4O86s4UO3g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgcTXGJ7-cS_V4pWakQKh7rViKbzjxAfiaQ=nDvF7s+gQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 10:20 PM Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 at 13:12, Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 at 13:08, Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You get a store forwarding stall when you write a bigger operand to
> > > memory and then read part of it, if the smaller part doesn't start at
> > > the same address.
> >
> > I don't think that has been true for over a decade now.
> >
> > Afaik, any half-way modern Intel and AMD cores will forward any fully
> > contained load.
>
> https://www.agner.org/optimize/microarchitecture.pdf
>
> See for example pg 136 (Sandy Bridge / Ivy Bridge):
>
>  "Store forwarding works in the following cases:
>   ..
>   • When a write of 64 bits or less is followed by a read of a smaller
> size which is fully contained in the write address range, regardless
> of alignment"
>
> and for AMD Zen cores:
>
>   "Store forwarding of a write to a subsequent read works very well in
> all cases, including reads from a part of the written data"
>
> So forget the whole "same address" rule. It's simply not true or
> relevant any more.

No problem then, we will implement the optimization in the compiler.

Thanks,
Uros.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-04 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-04 14:49 [PATCH 0/4] x86/percpu: Use segment qualifiers Uros Bizjak
2023-10-04 14:49 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/percpu: Update arch/x86/include/asm/percpu.h to the current tip Uros Bizjak
2023-10-04 14:49 ` [PATCH 2/4] x86/percpu: Enable named address spaces with known compiler version Uros Bizjak
2023-10-05  7:20   ` [tip: x86/percpu] " tip-bot2 for Uros Bizjak
2023-10-04 14:49 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/percpu: Use compiler segment prefix qualifier Uros Bizjak
2023-10-05  7:20   ` [tip: x86/percpu] " tip-bot2 for Nadav Amit
2023-10-04 14:49 ` [PATCH 4/4] x86/percpu: Use C for percpu read/write accessors Uros Bizjak
2023-10-04 16:37   ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-04 16:40     ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-04 19:23     ` [PATCH v2 " Uros Bizjak
2023-10-04 19:42       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-04 20:07         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-04 20:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-04 20:19             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-04 20:22               ` Uros Bizjak [this message]
2023-10-05  7:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-05  7:40         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-05  7:20       ` [tip: x86/percpu] " tip-bot2 for Uros Bizjak
2023-10-08 17:59   ` [PATCH 4/4] " Linus Torvalds
2023-10-08 19:17     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-08 20:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-08 20:48         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-08 21:41           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-09 11:41             ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-09 11:51               ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-09 12:00                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-09 12:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-09 12:21                   ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-09 12:42                     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-09 12:53                       ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-09 12:27               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-09 14:35               ` Uros Bizjak
2024-04-10 11:11                 ` Andrey Konovalov
2024-04-10 11:21                   ` Uros Bizjak
2024-04-10 11:24                     ` Andrey Konovalov
2023-10-09 11:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-10  6:37     ` Uros Bizjak

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