From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Karel Zak <kzak@redhat.com>,
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>,
Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>,
LSM <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: file metadata via fs API
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 12:50:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgz5H-xYG4bOrHaEtY7rvFA1_6+mTSpjrgK8OsNbfF+Pw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <066f9aaf-ee97-46db-022f-5d007f9e6edb@redhat.com>
On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:34 PM Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> The point of this is to give us the ability to monitor mounts from
> userspace.
We haven't had that before, I don't see why it's suddenly such a big deal.
The notification side I understand. Polling /proc files is not the answer.
But the whole "let's design this crazy subsystem for it" seems way
overkill. I don't see anybody caring that deeply.
It really smells like "do it because we can, not because we must".
Who the hell cares about monitoring mounts at a kHz frequencies? If
this is for MIS use, you want a nice GUI and not wasting CPU time
polling.
I'm starting to ignore the pull requests from David Howells, because
by now they have had the same pattern for a couple of years now:
esoteric new interfaces that seem overdesigned for corner-cases that
I'm not seeing people clamoring for.
I need (a) proof this is actualyl something real users care about and
(b) way more open discussion and implementation from multiple parties.
Because right now it looks like a small in-cabal of a couple of people
who have wild ideas but I'm not seeing the wider use of it.
Convince me otherwise. AGAIN. This is the exact same issue I had with
the notification queues that I really wanted actual use-cases for, and
feedback from actual outside users.
I really think this is engineering for its own sake, rather than
responding to actual user concerns.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-08-12 19:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-08-03 15:27 [GIT PULL] Mount notifications David Howells
2020-08-03 15:49 ` [GIT PULL] Filesystem Information David Howells
2020-08-03 16:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-04 2:15 ` Ian Kent
2020-08-04 14:36 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-05 1:33 ` Ian Kent
2020-08-05 8:00 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-05 11:13 ` Ian Kent
2020-08-05 8:24 ` file metadata via fs API (was: [GIT PULL] Filesystem Information) Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-11 13:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-11 14:08 ` Al Viro
2020-08-11 14:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-11 14:31 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <CAAgocE07=vVKpQhG+rjEGO=NEBKZ02gjg4TRPxECAc+RKrzn=Q@mail.gmail.com>
2020-08-11 14:36 ` Al Viro
2020-08-11 14:36 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-11 14:42 ` Al Viro
2020-08-11 14:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-11 15:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-11 15:30 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-11 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-11 18:49 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-11 19:31 ` Lennart Poettering
2020-08-11 19:50 ` Christian Brauner
2020-08-11 19:39 ` Christian Brauner
2020-08-12 0:53 ` Ian Kent
2020-08-11 15:39 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-11 16:17 ` Casey Schaufler
2020-08-11 16:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-11 20:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-11 20:36 ` Jann Horn
2020-08-11 20:56 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-11 21:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-11 21:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-12 7:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 14:39 ` Al Viro
2020-08-12 14:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 15:08 ` Al Viro
2020-08-12 15:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 16:33 ` Al Viro
2020-08-12 17:16 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 17:39 ` Al Viro
2020-08-12 18:33 ` Al Viro
2020-08-12 21:30 ` Al Viro
2020-08-18 9:41 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-18 9:30 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 15:22 ` David Howells
2020-08-11 21:20 ` Al Viro
2020-08-11 21:35 ` Casey Schaufler
2020-08-11 16:05 ` Al Viro
2020-08-11 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-11 16:39 ` Al Viro
2020-08-12 10:14 ` Karel Zak
2020-08-12 13:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 13:33 ` David Howells
2020-08-12 13:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 0:05 ` David Howells
2020-08-12 7:55 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 8:29 ` David Howells
2020-08-12 8:37 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 9:43 ` file metadata via fs API Steven Whitehouse
2020-08-12 10:04 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 11:28 ` Karel Zak
2020-08-12 12:43 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-13 8:52 ` Karel Zak
2020-08-12 13:06 ` David Howells
2020-08-13 1:01 ` Ian Kent
2020-08-12 18:18 ` file metadata via fs API (was: [GIT PULL] Filesystem Information) Linus Torvalds
2020-08-12 19:34 ` file metadata via fs API Steven Whitehouse
2020-08-12 19:50 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2020-08-13 3:44 ` Ian Kent
2020-08-13 10:36 ` Karel Zak
2020-08-14 7:58 ` Lennart Poettering
2020-08-17 11:32 ` Steven Whitehouse
2020-08-17 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-17 22:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-18 12:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-18 18:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-18 20:18 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-18 20:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-21 13:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-19 2:29 ` Al Viro
2020-08-13 3:53 ` file metadata via fs API (was: [GIT PULL] Filesystem Information) Jeffrey E Altman
2020-08-14 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-18 15:01 ` Jeffrey E Altman
2020-08-14 8:06 ` Lennart Poettering
2020-08-12 13:54 ` David Howells
2020-08-12 14:10 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-12 14:23 ` David Howells
2020-08-03 22:48 ` [GIT PULL] Mount notifications Ian Kent
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