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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Sargun Dhillon <sargun@sargun.me>,
	Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] exec: Transform exec_update_mutex into a rw_semaphore
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 12:10:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wio3JXxf3fy8tRVzb69u1e5iUru8p-dw+Mnga6yAdz=HQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875z5h4b7a.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:35 AM Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>
> From a deadlock perspective the change is strictly better than what we
> have today.  The readers will no longer block on each other.

No, agreed, it's better regardless.

> For the specific case that syzbot reported it is readers who were
> blocking on each other so that specific case if fixed.

So the thing is, a reader can still block another reader if a writer
comes in between them. Which is why I was thinking that the same
deadlock could happen if somebody does an execve at just the right
point.

> On the write side of exec_update_lock we have:
>
> cred_guard_mutex -> exec_update_lock
>
> Which means that to get an ABBA deadlock cred_guard_mutex would need to
> be involved

No, see above: you can get a deadlock with

 - first reader gets exec_update_lock

 - writer on exec_update_lock blocks on first reader (this is exec)

 - second reader of exec_update_lock now blocks on the writer.

So if that second reader holds something that the first one wants to
get (or is the same thread as the first one), you have a deadlock: the
first reader will never make any progress, will never release the
lock, and the writer will never get it, and the second reader will
forever wait for the writer that is ahead of it in the queue.

cred_guard_mutex is immaterial, it's not involved in the deadlock.
Yes, the writer holds it, but it's not relevant for anything else.

And that deadlock looks very much like what syzcaller detected, in
exactly that scenario:

  Chain exists of:
    &sig->exec_update_mutex --> sb_writers#4 --> &p->lock

   Possible unsafe locking scenario:

         CPU0                    CPU1
         ----                    ----
    lock(&p->lock);
                                 lock(sb_writers#4);
                                 lock(&p->lock);
    lock(&sig->exec_update_mutex);

   *** DEADLOCK ***

No?  The only thing that is missing is that writer that causes the
exec_update_mutex readers to block each other - exactly like they did
when it was a mutex.

But I may be missing something entirely obvious that keeps this from happening.

         Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-04 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-03 20:09 [PATCH 0/3] exec: Transform exec_update_mutex into a rw_semaphore Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-03 20:10 ` [PATCH 1/3] rwsem: Implement down_read_killable_nested Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-04  1:58   ` Waiman Long
2020-12-09 18:38   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-03 20:11 ` [PATCH 2/3] rwsem: Implement down_read_interruptible Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-04  1:59   ` Waiman Long
2020-12-07  9:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07 15:33       ` Waiman Long
2020-12-07 16:58         ` David Laight
2020-12-07 19:02           ` Waiman Long
2020-12-08  9:12             ` David Laight
2020-12-08 12:32               ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-08 13:13                 ` David Laight
2020-12-08 15:34               ` Waiman Long
2020-12-08 16:23                 ` David Laight
2020-12-07 15:56       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-08 14:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-08 18:27           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-09 18:36             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-10 19:33               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-11  8:16                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-09 18:38       ` [tip: locking/core] locking/rwsem: Introduce rwsem_write_trylock() tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-09 18:38       ` [tip: locking/core] locking/rwsem: Fold __down_{read,write}*() tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-09 18:38       ` [tip: locking/core] locking/rwsem: Better collate rwsem_read_trylock() tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-09 18:38   ` [tip: locking/core] rwsem: Implement down_read_interruptible tip-bot2 for Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-03 20:12 ` [PATCH 3/3] exec: Transform exec_update_mutex into a rw_semaphore Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-04 16:08   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-12-04 17:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-04 19:34       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-04 20:10         ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2020-12-04 20:30           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-12-04 20:48             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-04 21:48               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2020-12-05 18:05                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-07  9:15                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07  9:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07 18:40                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-08  8:34                   ` [PATCH] perf: Break deadlock involving exec_update_mutex Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-08 18:37                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-10 18:38                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2020-12-10 19:40                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-05 17:43           ` [PATCH 3/3] exec: Transform exec_update_mutex into a rw_semaphore Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-04 17:39     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-12-03 22:42 ` [PATCH 0/3] " Linus Torvalds
2020-12-04  1:56   ` Waiman Long
2020-12-04  4:54   ` Davidlohr Bueso

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