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From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	Sergei Trofimovich <slyfox@gentoo.org>,
	Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<x86@kernel.org>,
	clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] x86: fix early boot crash on gcc-10
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 11:15:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKwvOdnFXPBJsAUD++HtYS5JiR2KmX73M5GAUe-tvX-JYV7DaA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200417090909.GC7322@zn.tnic>

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:09 AM Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:58:59AM +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:42:24AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:07:26AM +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
> > > > If you want minimal changes, you can as I said earlier either
> > > > mark cpu_startup_entry noreturn (in the declaration in some header so that
> > > > smpboot.c sees it), or you could add something after the cpu_startup_entry
> > > > call to ensure it is not tail call optimized (e.g. just
> > > >   /* Prevent tail call to cpu_startup_entry because the stack
> > > >      protector guard has been changed in the middle of this function
> > > >      and must not be checked before tail calling another function.  */
> > > >   asm ("");
> > >
> > > That sounds ok-ish to me too.
> > >
> > > I know you probably can't tell the future :) but what stops gcc from
> > > doing the tail-call optimization in the future?
> > >
> > > Or are optimization decisions behind an inline asm a no-no and will
> > > pretty much always stay that way?
> >
> > GCC intentionally treats asm as a black box, the only thing which it does

Yep, that's how I would describe how LLVM see's inline asm, too.

> > with it is: non-volatile asm (but asm without outputs is implicitly
> > volatile) can be CSEd, and if the compiler needs to estimate size, it
> > uses some heuristics by counting ; and newlines.
> > And it will stay this way.

I recently implemented parsing support for `asm inline` in Clang; I
could have sworn I saw code in LLVM parsing newlines for a size
estimate years ago, but when implementing `asm inline`, I couldn't
find it.  And test cases I wrote that used the C preprocessor to
create thousand+ line inline asm strings would always be inlined,
regardless of the `inline` asm qualifier.

Not sure about implied volatility (...inner stock trader had a laugh
at that...) for output-less asm statements.

> >
> > > And I hope the clang folks don't come around and say, err, nope, we're
> > > much more aggressive here.
> >
> > Unlike GCC, I think clang uses the builtin assembler to parse the string,
> > but don't know if it still treats the asms more like black boxes or not.
> > Certainly there is a lot of code in the wild that uses inline asm
> > as optimization barriers, so if it doesn't, then it would cause a lot of
> > problems.
> >
> > Or go with the for (;;);, I don't think any compiler optimizes those away;
> > GCC 10 for C++ can optimize away infinite loops that have some conditional
> > exit because the language guarantees forward progress, but the C language
> > rules are different and for unconditional infinite loops GCC doesn't
> > optimize them away even if explicitly asked to -ffinite-loops.
>
> Lemme add Nick for clang for an opinion:
>
> Nick, we're discussing what would be the cleanest and future-proof
> way to disable stack protector for the function in the kernel which

Oh, this reminds me of commit d0a8d9378d16 ("x86/paravirt: Make
native_save_fl() extern inline"), where the insertion of stack guards
was also causing some pain.

The cleanest solution would be to have function attributes that say
"yes, I know I said -fstack-protector*, but for this one lone function
I really need -fno-stack-protector.  I know what I'm doing and accept
whatever the consequences are."  But maybe the attribute would be
shorter than all that? :P

Compared to playing games with each other's inlining heuristics, that
would be the cleanest and future-proof solution.  (Then we can even
revert d0a8d9378d16, and use such a function attribute.  I somehow
prefer gnu_inline's semantics to ISO C99's extern inline semantics,
and simultaneously hate the problems for which it's used.)

> generates the canary value as gcc10 ends up checking that value due to
> tail-call optimizing the last function called by start_secondary()...
> upthread are all the details.
>
> And question is, can Jakub's suggestions above prevent tail-call
> optimization on clang too and how reliable and future proof would that
> be if we end up going that way?

Sorry, I don't quite follow.  The idea is that an empty asm statement
in foo() should prevent foo() from being inlined into bar()?
https://godbolt.org/z/7xBRGY
-- 
Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-17 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-14 16:44 [PATCH] x86: fix early boot crash on gcc-10 Sergei Trofimovich
2020-03-16 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-16 13:26   ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-03-16 13:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-16 17:54       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-03-16 18:03         ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-03-17 14:36           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-03-17 14:39             ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-03-17 14:49               ` Borislav Petkov
2020-03-17 16:35                 ` David Laight
2020-03-25 13:31                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-03-26 21:54                   ` Sergei Trofimovich
2020-03-26 22:35                     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-03-28  8:48                       ` [PATCH v2] " Sergei Trofimovich
2020-04-13 14:15                         ` [tip: x86/urgent] x86: Fix " tip-bot2 for Sergei Trofimovich
2020-04-13 16:35                         ` [PATCH v2] x86: fix " Borislav Petkov
2020-04-14 13:50                           ` Michael Matz
2020-04-15  7:48                             ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-15 14:53                               ` Michael Matz
2020-04-15 22:19                                 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2020-04-17  7:57                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-17  8:07                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-17  8:42                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-17  8:58                                         ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-17  9:09                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-17 18:15                                             ` Nick Desaulniers [this message]
2020-04-17 18:22                                               ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-17 19:06                                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-17 19:49                                                   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-17 19:53                                                     ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-20 14:04                                                     ` Michael Matz
2020-04-22 10:23                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-22 11:40                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-22 13:49                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-22 13:55                                                             ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-22 14:16                                                               ` Martin Liška
2020-04-22 15:06                                                                 ` Michael Matz
2020-04-22 16:53                                                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-22 17:02                                                                   ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-22 18:47                                                                   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-22 18:55                                                         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-22 19:21                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-22 21:05                                                             ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-22 21:26                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-22 22:57                                                                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-23 12:53                                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-23 16:12                                                                     ` [PATCH] x86: Fix early boot crash on gcc-10, next try Borislav Petkov
2020-04-23 17:30                                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-23 18:02                                                                         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-23 18:27                                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-27 11:37                                                                         ` [tip: x86/build] x86/build: Check whether the compiler is sane tip-bot2 for Borislav Petkov
2020-04-23 19:40                                                                       ` [PATCH] x86: Fix early boot crash on gcc-10, next try Kees Cook
2020-04-25  1:46                                                                       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-25  8:57                                                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 11:09                                                                           ` Jürgen Groß
2020-04-25 15:04                                                                           ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-25 17:31                                                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 17:52                                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-27 17:07                                                                                 ` David Laight
2020-04-25 18:37                                                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-25 18:53                                                                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 19:15                                                                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-25 22:17                                                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 22:25                                                                                     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-17 10:38                                           ` [PATCH v2] x86: fix early boot crash on gcc-10 Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-18 13:12                                             ` David Laight
2020-04-17 10:41                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-16 18:20         ` [PATCH] " Arvind Sankar
2020-03-16 18:54           ` Arvind Sankar
2020-03-16 19:53             ` Arvind Sankar
2020-03-16 20:08               ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-03-16 20:40                 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-03-16 22:12     ` Sergei Trofimovich
2020-03-17 11:46       ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-03-17 18:10         ` Sergei Trofimovich
2020-03-16 18:22 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-03-26 23:16 ` [PATCH v2] " Sergei Trofimovich
2020-04-27 11:37 ` [tip: x86/build] x86: Fix early boot crash on gcc-10, next try tip-bot2 for Borislav Petkov
2020-05-15 11:20 ` [tip: x86/urgent] x86: Fix early boot crash on gcc-10, third try tip-bot2 for Borislav Petkov

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