From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
Cc: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v8 00/11] Landlock LSM: Toward unprivileged sandboxing
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 23:53:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrUwkV4_65y7UjSgrq5WHOcZZ=+znKArehvhb1xEGG9HXw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd811155-9e0d-283a-9291-4adfcec848e6@digikod.net>
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:51 PM, Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
>
> On 07/03/2018 02:21, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 11:06 PM, Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 06/03/2018 23:46, Tycho Andersen wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 10:33:17PM +0000, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>>>>>> Suppose I'm writing a container manager. I want to run "mount" in the
>>>>>>> container, but I don't want to allow moun() in general and I want to
>>>>>>> emulate certain mount() actions. I can write a filter that catches
>>>>>>> mount using seccomp and calls out to the container manager for help.
>>>>>>> This isn't theoretical -- Tycho wants *exactly* this use case to be
>>>>>>> supported.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I think this use case should be handled with something like
>>>>>> LD_PRELOAD and a helper library. FYI, I did something like this:
>>>>>> https://github.com/stemjail/stemshim
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt that will work for containers. Containers that use user
>>>>> namespaces and, for example, setuid programs aren't going to honor
>>>>> LD_PRELOAD.
>>>>
>>>> Or anything that calls syscalls directly, like go programs.
>>>
>>> That's why the vDSO-like approach. Enforcing an access control is not
>>> the issue here, patching a buggy userland (without patching its code) is
>>> the issue isn't it?
>>>
>>> As far as I remember, the main problem is to handle file descriptors
>>> while "emulating" the kernel behavior. This can be done with a "shim"
>>> code mapped in every processes. Chrome used something like this (in a
>>> previous sandbox mechanism) as a kind of emulation (with the current
>>> seccomp-bpf ). I think it should be doable to replace the (userland)
>>> emulation code with an IPC wrapper receiving file descriptors through
>>> UNIX socket.
>>>
>>
>> Can you explain exactly what you mean by "vDSO-like"?
>>
>> When a 64-bit program does a syscall, it just executes the SYSCALL
>> instruction. The vDSO isn't involved at all. 32-bit programs usually
>> go through the vDSO, but not always.
>>
>> It could be possible to force-load a DSO into an entire container and
>> rig up seccomp to intercept all SYSCALLs not originating from the DSO
>> such that they merely redirect control to the DSO, but that seems
>> quite messy.
>
> vDSO is a code mapped for all processes. As you said, these processes
> may use it or not. What I was thinking about is to use the same concept,
> i.e. map a "shim" code into each processes pertaining to a particular
> hierarchy (the same way seccomp filters are inherited across processes).
> With a seccomp filter matching some syscall (e.g. mount, open), it is
> possible to jump back to the shim code thanks to SECCOMP_RET_TRAP. This
> shim code should then be able to emulate/patch what is needed, even
> faking a file opening by receiving a file descriptor through a UNIX
> socket. As did the Chrome sandbox, the seccomp filter may look at the
> calling address to allow the shim code to call syscalls without being
> catched, if needed. However, relying on SIGSYS may not fit with
> arbitrary code. Using a new SECCOMP_RET_EMULATE (?) may be used to jump
> to a specific process address, to emulate the syscall in an easier way
> than only relying on a {c,e}BPF program.
>
This could indeed be done, but I think that Tycho's approach is much
cleaner and probably faster.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-03-08 23:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-27 0:41 [PATCH bpf-next v8 00/11] Landlock LSM: Toward unprivileged sandboxing Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 01/11] fs,security: Add a security blob to nameidata Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 0:57 ` Al Viro
2018-02-27 1:23 ` Al Viro
2018-03-11 20:14 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-28 16:27 ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:58 ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 02/11] fs,security: Add a new file access type: MAY_CHROOT Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 03/11] bpf: Add eBPF program subtype and is_valid_subtype() verifier Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 04/11] bpf,landlock: Define an eBPF program type for Landlock hooks Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 05/11] seccomp,landlock: Enforce Landlock programs per process hierarchy Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 2:08 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27 4:40 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 4:54 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27 5:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 5:32 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27 16:39 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 17:30 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-02-27 17:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 18:03 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-02-27 21:48 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-08 13:13 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-08 21:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-08 22:01 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-10 4:48 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-04-11 22:18 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 06/11] bpf,landlock: Add a new map type: inode Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-28 17:35 ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 07/11] landlock: Handle filesystem access control Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 08/11] landlock: Add ptrace restrictions Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 4:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 5:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 22:14 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 23:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 23:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-28 0:00 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-28 0:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 22:28 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-01 22:48 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 22:18 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 09/11] bpf: Add a Landlock sandbox example Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 10/11] bpf,landlock: Add tests for Landlock Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 11/11] landlock: Add user and kernel documentation " Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 4:36 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 00/11] Landlock LSM: Toward unprivileged sandboxing Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 22:03 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 23:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 22:25 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-06 22:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 22:46 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-03-06 23:06 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-07 1:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-08 23:51 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-08 23:53 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-04-01 22:04 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-02 0:39 ` Tycho Andersen
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