From: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
To: Chengguang Xu <cgxu519@mykernel.net>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
overlayfs <linux-unionfs@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
ronyjin <ronyjin@tencent.com>,
charliecgxu <charliecgxu@tencent.com>,
Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: ovl_flush() behavior
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 01:23:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOQ4uxg6FATciQhzRifOft4gMZj15G=UA6MUiPX2n9-NR5+1Pg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxiEjGms-sKhrVDtDHSEk97Wku5oPxnmy4vVB=6yRE_Hdg@mail.gmail.com>
> >
> > To be honest I even don't fully understand what's the ->flush() logic in overlayfs.
> > Why should we open new underlying file when calling ->flush()?
> > Is it still correct in the case of opening lower layer first then copy-uped case?
> >
>
> The semantics of flush() are far from being uniform across filesystems.
> most local filesystems do nothing on close.
> most network fs only flush dirty data when a writer closes a file
> but not when a reader closes a file.
> It is hard to imagine that applications rely on flush-on-close of
> rdonly fd behavior and I agree that flushing only if original fd was upper
> makes more sense, so I am not sure if it is really essential for
> overlayfs to open an upper rdonly fd just to do whatever the upper fs
> would have done on close of rdonly fd, but maybe there is no good
> reason to change this behavior either.
>
On second thought, I think there may be a good reason to change
ovl_flush() otherwise I wouldn't have submitted commit
a390ccb316be ("fuse: add FOPEN_NOFLUSH") - I did observe
applications that frequently open short lived rdonly fds and suffered
undesired latencies on close().
As for "changing existing behavior", I think that most fs used as
upper do not implement flush at all.
Using fuse/virtiofs as overlayfs upper is quite new, so maybe that
is not a problem and maybe the new behavior would be preferred
for those users?
Thanks,
Amir.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-01 23:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-23 13:08 [RFC PATCH v5 00/10] implement containerized syncfs for overlayfs Chengguang Xu
2021-09-23 13:08 ` [RFC PATCH v5 01/10] ovl: setup overlayfs' private bdi Chengguang Xu
2021-09-23 13:08 ` [RFC PATCH v5 02/10] ovl: implement ->writepages operation Chengguang Xu
2021-09-23 13:08 ` [RFC PATCH v5 03/10] ovl: implement overlayfs' ->evict_inode operation Chengguang Xu
2021-10-06 15:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-10-07 6:08 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-10-07 7:43 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-09-23 13:08 ` [RFC PATCH v5 04/10] ovl: mark overlayfs' inode dirty on modification Chengguang Xu
2021-10-07 18:43 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-09-23 13:08 ` [RFC PATCH v5 05/10] ovl: mark overlayfs' inode dirty on shared mmap Chengguang Xu
2021-09-23 13:08 ` [RFC PATCH v5 06/10] ovl: implement overlayfs' ->write_inode operation Chengguang Xu
2021-10-07 9:01 ` Jan Kara
2021-10-07 12:26 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-10-07 14:41 ` Jan Kara
2021-10-07 14:54 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-10-07 9:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-10-07 12:28 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-10-07 12:45 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-10-07 13:09 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-10-07 13:34 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-10-07 14:46 ` Jan Kara
2021-10-07 14:53 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-10-07 18:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-10-08 13:13 ` Jan Kara
2021-11-16 2:20 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-11-16 12:35 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-11-17 6:11 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-11-18 6:32 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-11-18 11:23 ` Jan Kara
2021-11-18 12:02 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-11-18 16:43 ` Jan Kara
2021-11-19 6:12 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-11-30 11:22 ` Jan Kara
2021-11-30 16:09 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-11-30 19:04 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-12-01 2:37 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-12-01 6:31 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-12-01 7:19 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-12-01 13:46 ` Jan Kara
2021-12-01 14:59 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-12-01 16:24 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-12-01 22:47 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-12-01 23:23 ` Amir Goldstein [this message]
2021-12-02 2:11 ` ovl_flush() behavior Chengguang Xu
2021-12-02 15:20 ` Vivek Goyal
2021-12-02 15:59 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-12-02 22:00 ` Vivek Goyal
2021-12-02 15:14 ` Vivek Goyal
2021-12-05 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH v5 06/10] ovl: implement overlayfs' ->write_inode operation Chengguang Xu
2021-12-07 5:33 ` Amir Goldstein
2022-02-05 16:09 ` Chengguang Xu
2022-02-05 16:23 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-09-23 13:08 ` [RFC PATCH v5 07/10] ovl: cache dirty overlayfs' inode Chengguang Xu
2021-10-07 11:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-10-07 12:04 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-10-07 12:27 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-09-23 13:08 ` [RFC PATCH v5 08/10] fs: export wait_sb_inodes() Chengguang Xu
2021-09-23 13:08 ` [RFC PATCH v5 09/10] fs: introduce new helper sync_fs_and_blockdev() Chengguang Xu
2021-10-19 7:15 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-11-15 11:39 ` Chengguang Xu
2021-09-23 13:08 ` [RFC PATCH v5 10/10] ovl: implement containerized syncfs for overlayfs Chengguang Xu
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