From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DD9C433E0 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2020 23:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6909C20870 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2020 23:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="mVToQFB0" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728085AbgGDXfK (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:35:10 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:37290 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727994AbgGDXfK (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:35:10 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-x641.google.com (mail-ej1-x641.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::641]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D467DC061794 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2020 16:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x641.google.com with SMTP id f12so12374532eja.9 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:35:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HNDVeItDy/XBJ+8/VApySLuTKnyDwRPMoyZTnmzqQFg=; b=mVToQFB0MteQPg60+j4sV1I3VbaU39JUkaonE1q9EGVvB6176pUyGu2KyH1VE3ixbD gfY/YIX3tKWUhzizlEgvK3g67Cxjbd5C0OGaHirmfieJtN0mkJjDLGmb9RPVVsoACtoA kVTWv+2kauUJf6W3C+FAz39m5bE8c2DzB+2Q2NcjNsKmJYsZj7IJaRNrK3O17oSxudQS v5vJdLD1mDnqkFiiIO3mU8BuhWY8SFlcXhv9MmfDq/AgPpdRTtO35/qsCQuNYEhqlOng 80cf5/tzQnCwskMaplSXXY4aW318c/rn0ZxOwhIXF8I9xsM0c8HWtH0BWhod0ZbR8AF9 CK4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HNDVeItDy/XBJ+8/VApySLuTKnyDwRPMoyZTnmzqQFg=; b=ogvtV6g8xPRrzWphwx2op3kFebi8SlhW6xLySontbGdn5AQbuIg0L7S/GF4RAdJH21 /AKabq05k7wTYrpSWGCdNKFsO60YGrZHstI7NoIe0iJbNmYrcgnuwwegSCN+F/zLQ0Dy CpvDyqaW5JtXYCcFjugO/TbHMly5bxt7yYD74Mu5dBFfhjoF6Bhqw6pGLcW+2SQt5Mb1 MiDhSfLEtGSpTX21C+MbyL8dmdb5s/kXDTDz3LQe1FAzpTd+jBceG/AtcwhBsNK2vE+X b95BMBkUVOj1wQPt3Tc9hRXZpDuMKUXIzvC9P4nVLVwO2qQUvOeMRtAJz5tJeBZo11JH qgtg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532+JucD7ffUNRKJdPo5+FY7rMQweH+YjBXGdZtXcTKrabOtupoY aIi0kM8QNOB2TlAoFjW44/P4eJnonbaQBsNyNAw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzLHDeLKWceSh0oqqwXr+kjyv7oF+hVEXofB6wPk1V5t3rlZKh6KqR8EFtrC8rgBH5h4Ut4Mck8IR9S9Tp4ZJA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:4086:: with SMTP id u6mr40502780ejj.9.1593905708462; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:35:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <159389297140.2210796.13590142254668787525.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com> <20200705064348.71d4d51f@canb.auug.org.au> In-Reply-To: <20200705064348.71d4d51f@canb.auug.org.au> From: Dave Airlie Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:34:57 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology To: Stephen Rothwell Cc: Dan Williams , ksummit , Greg Kroah-Hartman , LKML , tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 06:45, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 13:02:51 -0700 Dan Williams wrote: > > > > +Linux kernel inclusive terminology > > +================================== > > + > > +The Linux kernel is a global software project, and in 2020 there was a > > +global reckoning on race relations that caused many organizations to > > +re-evaluate their policies and practices relative to the inclusion of > > +people of African descent. This document describes why the 'Naming' > > I feel a need to point out that racial issues are wider than just > people of African descent ... Also, others have pointed out that > slavery is not just restricted to those of African descent. The racial issues are wider than that, and even wider again I'm sure, but in 2020 this is as good a place to start as any, and the trigger as that sentence says was in 2020, there was a reckoning about it mainly due to people of African descent. That trigger has had flow on effects in other countries, but I'm not sure that sentence in any way diminishes that, it's merely an introduction to why this change is happening now. As for the non-black slavery, others have never pointed this out before in 30 years of master/slave terminology? surely if white slavery was as big a problem, they be as supportive of this, even more so. It speaks volumes that I've never heard white slavery as a problem once in 30 years, but now I'm hearing about it a few times, and somehow as an excuse not to support this. Dave.