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From: "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>
To: <jonathan@jonmasters.org>
Cc: "brian wheeler" <bdwheele@indiana.edu>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: Linux v2.6.9 and GPL Buyout
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:24:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKGEJBPDAA.davids@webmaster.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <417990AE.5050806@drdos.com>


> Darl seemed like a nice enough sort, but he doesn't care much for Linux
> or IBM and he's pretty harsh
> on IBM. We argued for 30 minutes about SMP support in Linux and I think
> he will just let this one go since
> I pointed out that Novell had disclosed the Unixware SMP stuff at
> Brainshare and he cannot claim
> it as trade secrete any longer. He would not budge on RCU, NUMA, JFS, or
> XFS however, and he
> also said any IBM employee who contributed SMP code in his opinion may
> have misappropriated it
> and he would claim any contribution from any IBM employee in Linux.

	IANAL, but I'm pretty sure you can't go after innocent third parties for
trade secrets or misappropriated intellectual property. That's what we have
copyright and patent for. He can certainly go after the people who actually
stole the trade secrets or misappropriated the intellectual property, but
only copyright and patent provide the public notification requirements that
permit one to sustain claims against innocent third parties (those who use
the stolen/misappropriated property without any knowledge that it was stolen
or misappropriated).

	If he's trying to claim that any use subsequent to some point at which we
are supposed to have known that it was stolen or misappropriated, a listing
by category is not anywhere near sufficient, IMO. Even files and line ranges
don't suffice. He would have to provide us with sufficient information to
*verify* the *credibility* of his claim. This has never been done. The
biggest missing piece is *what* it is that has been stolen.

	If it's conceptual ideas, like the idea of SMP but not the code, then he's
just totally out of his mind. Only patent provides that type of broad
protection. If it's a 'derived work' type argument (that we stole something
from him and changed it, so it's not literally the same but still his
property), then he's again totally out of his mind. Only copyright provides
that type of protection.

	In any event, it's self-defeating, IMO, to act on SCO's claims at this
point. Until they're well enough defined that it's possible for us to
investigate them, we are still innocent third party victims of someone
else's misappropriation. And that's not our problem. Again, IANAL.

	One other issue with trying to work with SCO just to prevent future
problems -- SCO has already offered bogus immunities from liability. So I
wouldn't trust any immunity you even think you have. Especially since we
don't know what it is we're supposed to be immune *from*. (Is it copyright?
Is it trade secret? Is it fruit of some kind of poisonous tree because IBM
violated the spirit of some contract none of us are a party to?)

	DS



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-23  0:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-22 21:31 Linux v2.6.9 and GPL Buyout brian wheeler
2004-10-22 21:27 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 23:03   ` Jon Masters
2004-10-22 22:58     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 23:27       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23 13:30         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-24 11:10         ` Matthias Andree
2004-10-23  0:24       ` David Schwartz [this message]
2004-10-23  0:48         ` Jon Masters
2004-10-23  0:30       ` Jon Masters
2004-10-23  0:02         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  1:18           ` Diego Calleja
2004-10-23  8:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-10-23 16:13         ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-23 12:59   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-24 11:04   ` Matthias Andree
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-24 19:38 Xose Vazquez Perez
2004-10-24  8:45 Shawn Starr
2004-10-22 19:38 Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-18 22:45 Linux v2.6.9 Linus Torvalds
2004-10-19 17:38 ` Linux v2.6.9 and GPL Buyout Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:13   ` Russell King
2004-10-19 19:04     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:24   ` Kurt Wall
2004-10-19 19:12     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:01     ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-19 20:39       ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-20  0:06         ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-20  5:21           ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-19 19:28   ` Andre Hedrick
2004-10-19 19:10     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:30   ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-19 19:05     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:14       ` Diego Calleja
2004-10-19 19:41         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-20  8:27           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-20  8:45             ` Jens Axboe
2004-10-19 19:47         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:05     ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-19 19:38       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:30         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-10-19 20:15           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 23:22           ` Tonnerre
2004-10-19 19:45   ` Ross Biro
2004-10-19 19:36     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:54   ` David Johnson
2004-10-19 19:55   ` viro
2004-10-19 19:25     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:38   ` Dax Kelson
2004-10-19 20:09     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 22:16       ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-19 22:57         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-19 22:27       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-10-20 19:41         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-20  1:15       ` Horst von Brand
2004-10-20  1:16       ` Bastiaan Spandaw
2004-10-20 19:35         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-20  3:45       ` Ryan Anderson
2004-10-20  4:18         ` Lee Revell
2004-10-20  4:41           ` Lee Revell
2004-10-20 11:49             ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-20  5:58           ` John Alvord
2004-10-20 14:42           ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-21 23:59       ` Kelledin
2004-10-22  8:46       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-22  9:07       ` David Weinehall
2004-10-22 16:15         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 17:52           ` Al Viro
2004-10-22 17:22             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 19:37               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 20:46                 ` Grahame White
2004-10-22 20:58                 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-22 21:00                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-22 21:03                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-10-23 12:33                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-24 14:15                 ` Kai Henningsen
2004-10-27  1:45                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-10-24 11:00           ` Matthias Andree
2004-10-24 14:13           ` Kai Henningsen
2004-10-25 18:44             ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-20 19:46     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-19 21:02   ` Pekka Pietikainen
2004-10-19 20:27     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22  6:54       ` Erik Andersen
2004-10-22 16:12         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 21:17     ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-20 20:41     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-23 13:43       ` James Bruce
2004-10-19 21:26   ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-19 22:52   ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-20 23:43   ` Eric Bambach
2004-10-20 23:48     ` Eric Bambach
2004-10-20 23:59     ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-21  0:13     ` Russell Miller
2004-10-21  0:18       ` Adam Heath
2004-10-21 10:16       ` Horst von Brand
2004-10-22  8:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-22 16:15     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  0:14   ` Jon Masters
2004-10-22 23:46     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  0:57       ` Jon Masters
2004-10-23  4:42         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  6:32           ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]             ` <20041023064538.GA7866@galt.devicelogics.com>
2004-10-23  7:20               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23 10:11           ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-23 16:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24  2:48             ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-24  5:11             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-24 11:14               ` Jon Masters
2004-10-24 11:50               ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-24 15:35               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-24 15:53               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-31 23:14               ` Jan 'JaSan' Sarenik
2004-10-24  2:11           ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-23  0:38     ` Lee Revell
2004-10-23  0:07       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  1:06         ` Lee Revell

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