From: Riley Williams <rhw@MemAlpha.cx>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Linux updates RTC secretly when clock synchronizes
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:08:47 +0000 (GMT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111052300490.1693-100000@Consulate.UFP.CX> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011102121602.A45@toy.ucw.cz>
Hi Pavel.
>> PROBLEM: Linux updates RTC secretly when clock synchronizes.
>>
>> Please CC replies etc to Ian Maclaine-cross <iml@debian.org>.
>>
>> When /usr/sbin/ntpd synchronizes the Linux kernel (or system) clock
>> using the Network Time Protocol the kernel time is accurate to a few
>> milliseconds. Linux then sets the Real Time (or Hardware or CMOS)
>> Clock to this time at approximately 11 minute intervals. Typical
>> RTCs drift less than 10 s/day so rebooting causes only millisecond
>> errors.
>>
>> Linux currently does not record the 11 minute updates to a log file.
>> Clock programs (like hwclock) cannot correct RTC drift at boot time
>> without knowing when the RTC was last set. If NTP service is available
>> after a long shutdown, ntpd may step the time. Worse after a longer
>> shutdown ntpd may drop out or even synchronize to the wrong timezone.
>> The workarounds are clumsy.
>>
>> Please find following my small patch for
>> linux/arch/i386/kernel/time.c which adds a KERN_NOTICE of each 11
>> minute update to the RTC. This is just for i386 machines at present.
>> A script can search the logs for the last set time of the RTC and
>> update /etc/adjtime. Hwclock can then correct the RTC for drift and
>> set the kernel clock.
> That seems as very wrong solution.
> What about just making kernel only _read_ system clock, and never
> set it? That looks way cleaner to me.
It is cleaner. However, I feel that the RTC code should printk (at least
as KERN_DEBUG if not as KERN_NOTICE) whenever the RTC is written to.
It's too important a subsystem to be left hidden like it currently is.
Best wishes from Riley.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-11-05 23:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-31 0:33 PROBLEM: Linux updates RTC secretly when clock synchronizes Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-10-31 1:05 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-10-31 2:55 ` Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-10-31 11:52 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-01 0:52 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-01 1:26 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-01 13:57 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-02 9:50 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-03 11:41 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-03 18:35 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-03 19:19 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-03 21:04 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-06 10:01 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-06 9:57 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-02 12:16 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-05 23:08 ` Riley Williams [this message]
2001-11-06 10:17 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-07 0:00 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-07 0:44 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 1:01 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-07 1:15 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 9:24 ` Russell King
2001-11-08 12:26 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-08 23:00 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-09 21:11 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 21:30 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-09 22:54 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 23:10 ` Mark Zealey
2001-11-10 20:04 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-10 20:35 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-10 20:43 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-10 20:49 ` Doug McNaught
2001-11-06 0:20 ` Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-11-06 10:18 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-08 5:09 ` Ian Maclaine-cross
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