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From: Riley Williams <rhw@MemAlpha.cx>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Linux updates RTC secretly when clock synchronizes
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:08:47 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111052300490.1693-100000@Consulate.UFP.CX> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011102121602.A45@toy.ucw.cz>

Hi Pavel.

>> PROBLEM: Linux updates RTC secretly when clock synchronizes.
>> 
>> Please CC replies etc to Ian Maclaine-cross <iml@debian.org>.
>> 
>> When /usr/sbin/ntpd synchronizes the Linux kernel (or system) clock
>> using the Network Time Protocol the kernel time is accurate to a few
>> milliseconds. Linux then sets the Real Time (or Hardware or CMOS)
>> Clock to this time at approximately 11 minute intervals. Typical
>> RTCs drift less than 10 s/day so rebooting causes only millisecond
>> errors.
>>
>> Linux currently does not record the 11 minute updates to a log file.
>> Clock programs (like hwclock) cannot correct RTC drift at boot time
>> without knowing when the RTC was last set. If NTP service is available
>> after a long shutdown, ntpd may step the time. Worse after a longer
>> shutdown ntpd may drop out or even synchronize to the wrong timezone.
>> The workarounds are clumsy.
>>
>> Please find following my small patch for
>> linux/arch/i386/kernel/time.c which adds a KERN_NOTICE of each 11
>> minute update to the RTC. This is just for i386 machines at present.
>> A script can search the logs for the last set time of the RTC and
>> update /etc/adjtime. Hwclock can then correct the RTC for drift and
>> set the kernel clock.

> That seems as very wrong solution.

> What about just making kernel only _read_ system clock, and never
> set it? That looks way cleaner to me.

It is cleaner. However, I feel that the RTC code should printk (at least
as KERN_DEBUG if not as KERN_NOTICE) whenever the RTC is written to.
It's too important a subsystem to be left hidden like it currently is.

Best wishes from Riley.


  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-05 23:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-31  0:33 PROBLEM: Linux updates RTC secretly when clock synchronizes Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-10-31  1:05 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-10-31  2:55   ` Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-10-31 11:52     ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-01  0:52       ` Riley Williams
2001-11-01  1:26         ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-01 13:57         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-02  9:50           ` Riley Williams
2001-11-03 11:41             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-03 18:35               ` Riley Williams
2001-11-03 19:19                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-03 21:04                 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-06 10:01                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-06  9:57             ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-02 12:16 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-05 23:08   ` Riley Williams [this message]
2001-11-06 10:17     ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-07  0:00       ` Riley Williams
2001-11-07  0:44         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  1:01           ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-07  1:15             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  9:24             ` Russell King
2001-11-08 12:26         ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-08 23:00           ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09  9:32             ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-09 21:11               ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 21:30                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-09 22:54                   ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 23:10                     ` Mark Zealey
2001-11-10 20:04                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-10 20:35                       ` Riley Williams
2001-11-10 20:43                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-10 20:49                         ` Doug McNaught
2001-11-06  0:20   ` Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-11-06 10:18     ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-08  5:09       ` Ian Maclaine-cross

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