From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Subject: Re: Totally broken PCI PM calls
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:32:20 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410102126220.3897@ppc970.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1097468590.3249.2.camel@gaston>
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>
> But radeonfb ends up suspending the display at a wrong time and you miss
> half of the output, which makes any kind of debugging near to
> impossible.
Agreed.
But notice? It _works_. It's suspendign too damn eagerly, and it's hard to
debug, but it's a "safe" solution to the confusion that does exist. Which
is why I did it.
And please do realize that I'd love to solve the confusion, and remove the
hack. It's a hack, I admit it. But it's better than just saying "be
confused, be broken, I don't care".
If the hack ends up motivating somebody (hint hint) to solve the problem
properly, I'll be really happy. Paul suggested one solution (don't call
down to suspend at all - which is also a hack, but I suspect it might be
about as good a hack as the current one). I suggested another: using type
checking to make sure drivers _aren't_ confused.
The more the merrier. Care to come up with a solution of your own?
And no, I'm not interested in the type "let's fix one driver" kind of
thing. That's what we've had for the last year or more, and the fact is,
my laptop _never_ suspended during that time. So I really think it needs a
_proper_ solution.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-11 4:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-11 0:45 Totally broken PCI PM calls Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-11 2:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-11 3:42 ` Paul Mackerras
2004-10-11 4:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-11 4:24 ` Paul Mackerras
2004-10-11 9:57 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-11 14:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-11 14:56 ` suspend-to-RAM [was Re: Totally broken PCI PM calls] Pavel Machek
2004-10-11 15:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-11 17:39 ` Olivier Galibert
2004-10-11 18:21 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-11 15:53 ` Brice Goglin
2004-10-11 16:17 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-11 17:09 ` Brice Goglin
2004-10-11 18:23 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-11 18:40 ` Brice Goglin
2004-10-11 16:47 ` Totally broken PCI PM calls David Brownell
2004-10-11 22:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-11 22:58 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-10-11 23:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-12 3:00 ` David Brownell
2004-10-12 4:09 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-10-12 16:56 ` David Brownell
2004-10-12 9:27 ` Russell King
2004-10-12 11:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-11 4:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-11 10:18 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-11 10:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-11 16:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-15 13:59 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-15 15:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24 20:58 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-24 21:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-11 16:36 ` David Brownell
2004-10-11 21:17 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-11 21:37 ` David Brownell
2004-10-11 22:12 ` Stefan Seyfried
2004-10-12 2:59 ` David Brownell
2004-10-12 8:54 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-12 10:32 ` Stefan Seyfried
2004-10-12 18:28 ` David Brownell
2004-10-12 20:28 ` Stefan Seyfried
2004-10-13 13:34 ` David Brownell
2004-10-12 1:24 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-12 8:53 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-12 18:52 ` David Brownell
2004-10-12 19:50 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-12 22:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-12 22:35 ` David Brownell
2004-10-11 22:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-11 3:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-11 4:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-11 4:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-11 4:32 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2004-10-11 4:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-11 16:15 ` David Brownell
2004-10-11 22:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-12 2:46 ` David Brownell
2004-10-12 4:02 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-12 10:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-12 11:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-12 11:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-12 11:51 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-11 10:08 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-11 9:51 ` Pavel Machek
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