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From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Prezeroing V2 [0/3]: Why and When it works
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:17:07 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0412240812190.6505@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0412231325420.2654@ppc970.osdl.org>

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> So if we make the "what load is considered low" tunable, a system
> administrator can use that to make it more aggressive. And indeed, you
> might have a cron-job that says "be more aggressive at clearing pages
> between 2AM and 4AM in the morning" or something - if you have so much
> memory that it actually matters if you clear the memory just occasionally.
>
> And the tunable load-average check has another advantage: if you want to
> benchmark it, you can first set it to true zero (basically never), and run
> the benchmark, and then you can set it to something very agressive ("clear
> pages every five seconds regardless of load") and re-run.
>
> Does this sound sane? Christoph - can you try making the "scrub deamon" do
> that? Instead of the "scrub-low" and "scrub-high" (or in _addition_ to
> them), do a "scub-load" thing that takes a scaled integer, and compares it
> with "avenrun[0]" in kernel/timer.c: calc_load() when the average is
> updated every five seconds..

Sure V3 will have that. So far the impact of zeroing is quite minimal
on IA64 (even without using hardware), the big zeroing happens immediately
after activating it anyways. I have not seen any measurable effect on
benchmarks even with 4G allocations on a 6G machine.

> Personally, at least for a desktop usage, I think that the load average
> would work wonderfully well. I know my machines are often at basically
> zero load, and then having low-latency zero-pages when I sit down sounds
> like a good idea. Whether there is _enough_ free memory around for a
> 5-second thing to work out well, I have no idea..

The CPU can do a couple of Gigs of zeroing per second per CPU and the
zeroing zeros local RAM. On my 6G machine with 8 Cpus it can only
take a fraction of a second to zero all RAM.

Merry Christmas, I am off till now next year. SGI mandatory holiday
shutdown so all addicts have to go cold turkey ;-)


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-12-24 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2004-12-21 19:55   ` Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [0/3]: Overview Christoph Lameter
2004-12-21 19:56     ` Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [1/3]: Introduce __GFP_ZERO Christoph Lameter
2004-12-21 19:57     ` Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [2/3]: zeroing and scrubd Christoph Lameter
2005-01-01  2:22       ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-01  2:55         ` pmarques
2004-12-21 19:57     ` Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [3/3]: Altix SN2 BTE Zeroing Christoph Lameter
2004-12-22 12:46       ` Robin Holt
2004-12-22 19:56         ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:29     ` Prezeroing V2 [0/3]: Why and When it works Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:33       ` Prezeroing V2 [1/4]: __GFP_ZERO / clear_page() removal Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:33         ` Prezeroing V2 [2/4]: add second parameter to clear_page() for all arches Christoph Lameter
2004-12-24  8:33           ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-24 16:18             ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-24 16:27               ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-24 17:02                 ` David S. Miller
2004-12-24 17:05           ` David S. Miller
2004-12-27 22:48             ` David S. Miller
2005-01-03 17:52             ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-01 10:24           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-01-04 23:12             ` Prezeroing V3 [0/4]: Discussion and i386 performance tests Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 23:13               ` Prezeroing V3 [1/4]: Allow request for zeroed memory Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 23:45                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-01-05  1:16                   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05  1:26                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-05 23:11                       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05  0:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-05  0:47                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05  1:15                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-08 21:12                 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-01-08 21:56                   ` David S. Miller
2005-01-21 20:09                     ` alloc_zeroed_user_highpage to fix the clear_user_highpage issue Christoph Lameter
2005-02-09  9:58                       ` [Patch] Fix oops in alloc_zeroed_user_highpage() when page is NULL Michael Ellerman
2005-02-10  0:38                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-21 20:12                     ` Extend clear_page by an order parameter Christoph Lameter
2005-01-21 22:29                       ` Paul Mackerras
2005-01-21 23:48                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-22  0:35                           ` Paul Mackerras
2005-01-22  0:43                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-22  1:08                               ` Paul Mackerras
2005-01-22  1:20                               ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-22  1:25                               ` Paul Mackerras
2005-01-22  1:54                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-22  2:53                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2005-01-23  7:45                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-24 16:37                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-24 20:23                           ` David S. Miller
2005-01-24 20:33                             ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-21 20:15                     ` A scrub daemon (prezeroing) Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 17:16                   ` Prezeroing V3 [1/4]: Allow request for zeroed memory Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 18:13                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-10 20:17                       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 23:53                       ` Prezeroing V4 [0/4]: Overview Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 23:54                         ` Prezeroing V4 [1/4]: Arch specific page zeroing during page fault Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11  0:41                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11  0:46                             ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11  0:49                               ` Chris Wright
2005-01-10 23:55                         ` Prezeroing V4 [2/4]: Zeroing implementation Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 23:55                         ` Prezeroing V4 [3/4]: Altix SN2 BTE zero driver Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 23:56                         ` Prezeroing V4 [4/4]: Extend clear_page to take an order parameter Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 23:14               ` Prezeroing V3 [2/4]: Extension of " Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05 23:25                 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-06 13:52                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-06 17:47                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 23:15               ` Prezeroing V3 [3/4]: Page zeroing through kscrubd Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 23:16               ` Prezeroing V3 [4/4]: Driver for hardware zeroing on Altix Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05  2:16                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-05 16:24                   ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:34         ` Prezeroing V2 [3/4]: Add support for ZEROED and NOT_ZEROED free maps Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:35         ` Prezeroing V2 [4/4]: Hardware Zeroing through SGI BTE Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 20:08         ` Prezeroing V2 [1/4]: __GFP_ZERO / clear_page() removal Brian Gerst
2004-12-24 16:24           ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:49       ` Prezeroing V2 [0/3]: Why and When it works Arjan van de Ven
2004-12-23 20:57       ` Matt Mackall
2004-12-23 21:01       ` Paul Mackerras
2004-12-23 21:11       ` Paul Mackerras
2004-12-23 21:37         ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-23 23:00           ` Paul Mackerras
2004-12-23 21:48         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-23 22:34           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-24  9:14           ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-12-24 18:21             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-24 18:57               ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-12-27 22:50               ` David S. Miller
2004-12-28 11:53                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-12-24 16:17           ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2004-12-24 18:31     ` Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [0/3]: Overview Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-03 17:54       ` Christoph Lameter
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2004-12-23 20:27       ` Prezeroing V2 [0/3]: Why and When it works Andi Kleen
2004-12-23 21:02         ` Christoph Lameter

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