From: Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>
To: Peter Chen <hzpeterchen@gmail.com>, Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>
Cc: Roger Quadros <rogerq@ti.com>,
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Subject: RE: [PATCH v11 08/14] usb: otg: add OTG/dual-role core
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 07:41:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SG2PR06MB09196A50729B6E8AC3B75159D82D0@SG2PR06MB0919.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160622033356.GB21361@shlinux2>
Hi,
> From: Peter Chen
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:34 PM
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 05:47:47PM +0300, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Peter Chen <hzpeterchen@gmail.com> writes:
> > >> >> >> >> >>> + * @otg_dev: OTG controller device, if needs to be used with OTG core.
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> do you really know of any platform which has a separate OTG controller?
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Andrew had pointed out in [1] that Tegra210 has separate blocks for OTG, host
> > >> >> >> >> > and gadget.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.tegra/22969
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> that's not an OTG controller, it's just a mux. No different than Intel's
> > >> >> >> >> mux for swapping between XHCI and peripheral-only DWC3.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> frankly, I would NEVER talk about OTG when type-C comes into play. They
> > >> >> >> >> are two competing standards and, apparently, type-C is winning when it
> > >> >> >> >> comes to role-swapping.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > In fact, OTG is mis-used by people. Currently, if the port is dual-role,
> > >> >> >> > It will be considered as an OTG port.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> That's because "dual-role" is a non-standard OTG. Seen as people really
> > >> >> >> didn't care about OTG, we (linux-usb folks) ended up naturally referring
> > >> >> >> to "non-standard OTG" as "dual-role". Just to avoid confusion.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > So, unless we use OTG FSM defined in OTG spec, we should not mention
> > >> >> > "OTG" in Linux, right?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> to avoid confusion with the terminology, yes. With that settled, let's
> > >> >> figure out how you can deliver what your marketting guys are asking of
> > >> >> you.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Since nxp SoC claims they are OTG compliance, we need to pass usb.org
> > >> > test. The internal bsp has passed PET test, and formal compliance test
> > >> > is on the way (should pass too).
> > >> >
> > >> > The dual-role and OTG compliance use the same zImage, but different
> > >> > dtb.
> > >>
> > >> okay, that's good to know. Now, the question really is: considering we
> > >> only have one user for this generic OTG FSM layer, do we really need to
> > >> make it generic at all? I mean, just look at how invasive a change that
> > >> is.
> > >
> > > If the chipidea is the only user for this roger's framework, I don't
> > > think it is necessary. In fact, Roger introduces this framework, and
> > > the first user is dwc3, we think it can be used for others. Let's
> >
> > Right, we need to look at the history of dwc3 to figure out why the
> > conclusion that dwc3 needs this was made.
> >
> > Roger started working on this framework when Power on Reset section of
> > databook had some details which weren't always clear and, for safety, we
> > always had reset asserted for a really long time. It was so long (about
> > 400 ms) that resetting dwc3 for each role swap was just too much.
> >
> > Coupled with that, the OTG chapter wasn't very clear either on
> > expections from Host and Peripheral side initialization in OTG/DRD
> > systems.
> >
> > More recent version of dwc3 databook have a much better description of
> > how and which reset bits _must_ be asserted and which shouldn't be
> > touched unless it's for debugging purposes. When I implemented that, our
> > ->probe() went from 400ms down to about 50us.
> >
> > Coupled with that, the OTG chapter also became a lot clearer to the
> > point that it states you just don't initialize anything other than the
> > OTG block, and just wait for OTG interrupt to do whatever it is you need
> > to do.
> >
> > This meant that we could actually afford to do full reinitialization of
> > dwc3 on role swap (it's now only 50us anyway) and we knew how to swap
> > roles properly.
> >
> > (The reason for needing soft-reset during role swap is kinda long. But
> > in summary dwc3 shadows register writes to both host and peripheral
> > sides)
> >
> > > just discuss if it is necessary for dual-role switch.
> >
> > fair. However, if we have a single user we don't have a Generic
> > layer. There's not enough variance to come up with truly generic
> > architecture for this.
> >
> > --
>
> I have put some points in my last reply [1], I summery it here to
> see if a generic framework is deserved or not?
>
> 1. If there are some parts we can use during the role switch
> - The common start/stop host and peripheral operation
> eg, when switch from host to peripheral, all drivers can use
> usb_remove_hcd to finish it.
> - A common workqueue to handle vbus and id event
> - sysfs for role switch
>
> 2. Does a mux driver can do it well? Yoshihiro, here we need your
> point. The main point is if we need to call USB API to change
> roles (eg, usb_remove_hcd) during the role switch, thanks.
In my platform, it doesn't need to call USB API (usb_remove_hcd) when
"A-host" is changed to "A-peripheral".
(Since this is a prototype local code, the code is not upstreaming yet though.)
Best regards,
Yoshihiro Shimoda
>
> [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg142974.html
> --
>
> Best Regards,
> Peter Chen
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-06-23 7:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-06-10 13:07 [PATCH v10 00/14] USB OTG/dual-role framework Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 01/14] usb: hcd: Initialize hcd->flags to 0 Roger Quadros
2016-06-14 8:16 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 02/14] usb: otg-fsm: Prevent build warning "VDBG" redefined Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 03/14] usb: hcd.h: Add OTG to HCD interface Roger Quadros
2016-06-14 8:17 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-14 14:21 ` Alan Stern
2016-06-15 7:14 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 04/14] usb: otg-fsm: use usb_otg wherever possible Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 05/14] usb: otg-fsm: move host controller operations into usb_otg->hcd_ops Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 06/14] usb: gadget.h: Add OTG to gadget interface Roger Quadros
2016-06-12 9:13 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-20 7:21 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-20 7:28 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-20 8:13 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-20 8:25 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-20 9:24 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-20 9:43 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 07/14] usb: otg: get rid of CONFIG_USB_OTG_FSM in favour of CONFIG_USB_OTG Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 08/14] usb: otg: add OTG/dual-role core Roger Quadros
2016-06-12 11:21 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-13 7:42 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-13 7:56 ` [PATCH v11 " Roger Quadros
2016-06-13 7:58 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-20 7:45 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-20 10:13 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-20 12:03 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-20 12:26 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-20 12:46 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-21 6:39 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-21 7:19 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-21 8:02 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-21 8:18 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-21 9:14 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-21 12:35 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-21 13:12 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-21 14:47 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-22 3:33 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-22 6:51 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-22 7:30 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-22 8:00 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-23 7:41 ` Yoshihiro Shimoda [this message]
2016-06-21 2:30 ` Yoshihiro Shimoda
2016-06-21 7:21 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-20 11:49 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-20 12:08 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-21 6:05 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-21 7:26 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-21 9:07 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-21 10:02 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-21 10:43 ` Tony Lindgren
2016-06-21 10:56 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-21 13:05 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-22 6:56 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-22 7:33 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-22 8:03 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-22 7:49 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-22 8:14 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-22 8:30 ` Roger Quadros
2017-01-19 11:56 ` Vivek Gautam
2017-01-19 12:15 ` Roger Quadros
2017-01-19 15:15 ` vivek.gautam
2017-01-20 8:30 ` Roger Quadros
2017-01-20 11:39 ` Vivek Gautam
2016-06-23 7:42 ` Yoshihiro Shimoda
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 09/14] usb: of: add an API to get OTG device from USB controller node Roger Quadros
2016-06-13 8:13 ` Jun Li
2016-06-13 8:16 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-13 8:23 ` [PATCH v11 " Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 10/14] usb: otg: add hcd companion support Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 11/14] usb: otg: use dev_vdbg() instead of VDBG() Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 12/14] usb: hcd: Adapt to OTG core Roger Quadros
2016-06-14 8:17 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 13/14] usb: gadget: udc: adapt " Roger Quadros
2016-06-12 11:36 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-13 7:14 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-13 7:20 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-13 7:37 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-13 7:40 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-13 7:55 ` [PATCH v11 " Roger Quadros
2016-06-13 7:56 ` Peter Chen
2016-06-13 8:06 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-10 13:07 ` [PATCH v10 14/14] usb: host: xhci-plat: Add otg device to platform data Roger Quadros
2016-06-14 8:18 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-14 2:17 ` [PATCH v10 00/14] USB OTG/dual-role framework Peter Chen
2016-06-14 8:12 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-16 11:07 ` Roger Quadros
2016-06-17 7:17 ` Felipe Balbi
2016-06-17 7:31 ` Roger Quadros
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