From: Ruan Shiyang <ruansy.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
"dan.j.williams@intel.com" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
"hch@lst.de" <hch@lst.de>, "rgoldwyn@suse.de" <rgoldwyn@suse.de>,
"Qi, Fuli" <qi.fuli@fujitsu.com>,
"Gotou, Yasunori" <y-goto@fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: 回复: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/8] dax: Add a dax-rmap tree to support reflink
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 10:11:51 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b9f3e089-476d-b31f-c2f2-0dfb8741b584@cn.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200604145107.GA1334206@magnolia>
On 2020/6/4 下午10:51, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 03:37:42PM +0800, Ruan Shiyang wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2020/4/28 下午2:43, Dave Chinner wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 06:09:47AM +0000, Ruan, Shiyang wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 在 2020/4/27 20:28:36, "Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org> 写道:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:47:42PM +0800, Shiyang Ruan wrote:
>>>>>> This patchset is a try to resolve the shared 'page cache' problem for
>>>>>> fsdax.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to track multiple mappings and indexes on one page, I
>>>>>> introduced a dax-rmap rb-tree to manage the relationship. A dax entry
>>>>>> will be associated more than once if is shared. At the second time we
>>>>>> associate this entry, we create this rb-tree and store its root in
>>>>>> page->private(not used in fsdax). Insert (->mapping, ->index) when
>>>>>> dax_associate_entry() and delete it when dax_disassociate_entry().
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we really want to track all of this on a per-page basis? I would
>>>>> have thought a per-extent basis was more useful. Essentially, create
>>>>> a new address_space for each shared extent. Per page just seems like
>>>>> a huge overhead.
>>>>>
>>>> Per-extent tracking is a nice idea for me. I haven't thought of it
>>>> yet...
>>>>
>>>> But the extent info is maintained by filesystem. I think we need a way
>>>> to obtain this info from FS when associating a page. May be a bit
>>>> complicated. Let me think about it...
>>>
>>> That's why I want the -user of this association- to do a filesystem
>>> callout instead of keeping it's own naive tracking infrastructure.
>>> The filesystem can do an efficient, on-demand reverse mapping lookup
>>> from it's own extent tracking infrastructure, and there's zero
>>> runtime overhead when there are no errors present.
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I ran into some difficulties when trying to implement the per-extent rmap
>> tracking. So, I re-read your comments and found that I was misunderstanding
>> what you described here.
>>
>> I think what you mean is: we don't need the in-memory dax-rmap tracking now.
>> Just ask the FS for the owner's information that associate with one page
>> when memory-failure. So, the per-page (even per-extent) dax-rmap is
>> needless in this case. Is this right?
>
> Right. XFS already has its own rmap tree.
>
>> Based on this, we only need to store the extent information of a fsdax page
>> in its ->mapping (by searching from FS). Then obtain the owners of this
>> page (also by searching from FS) when memory-failure or other rmap case
>> occurs.
>
> I don't even think you need that much. All you need is the "physical"
> offset of that page within the pmem device (e.g. 'this is the 307th 4k
> page == offset 1257472 since the start of /dev/pmem0') and xfs can look
> up the owner of that range of physical storage and deal with it as
> needed.
Yes, I think so.
>
>> So, a fsdax page is no longer associated with a specific file, but with a
>> FS(or the pmem device). I think it's easier to understand and implement.
>
> Yes. I also suspect this will be necessary to support reflink...
>
> --D
OK, Thank you very much.
--
Thanks,
Ruan Shiyang.
>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Ruan Shiyang.
>>>
>>> At the moment, this "dax association" is used to "report" a storage
>>> media error directly to userspace. I say "report" because what it
>>> does is kill userspace processes dead. The storage media error
>>> actually needs to be reported to the owner of the storage media,
>>> which in the case of FS-DAX is the filesytem.
>>>
>>> That way the filesystem can then look up all the owners of that bad
>>> media range (i.e. the filesystem block it corresponds to) and take
>>> appropriate action. e.g.
>>>
>>> - if it falls in filesytem metadata, shutdown the filesystem
>>> - if it falls in user data, call the "kill userspace dead" routines
>>> for each mapping/index tuple the filesystem finds for the given
>>> LBA address that the media error occurred.
>>>
>>> Right now if the media error is in filesystem metadata, the
>>> filesystem isn't even told about it. The filesystem can't even shut
>>> down - the error is just dropped on the floor and it won't be until
>>> the filesystem next tries to reference that metadata that we notice
>>> there is an issue.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dave.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-05 2:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-27 8:47 [RFC PATCH 0/8] dax: Add a dax-rmap tree to support reflink Shiyang Ruan
2020-04-27 8:47 ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] fs/dax: Introduce dax-rmap btree for reflink Shiyang Ruan
2020-04-27 8:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] mm: add dax-rmap for memory-failure and rmap Shiyang Ruan
2020-04-27 8:47 ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] fs/dax: Introduce dax_copy_edges() for COW Shiyang Ruan
2020-04-27 8:47 ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] fs/dax: copy data before write Shiyang Ruan
2020-04-27 8:47 ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] fs/dax: replace mmap entry in case of CoW Shiyang Ruan
2020-04-27 8:47 ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] fs/dax: dedup file range to use a compare function Shiyang Ruan
2020-04-27 8:47 ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] fs/xfs: handle CoW for fsdax write() path Shiyang Ruan
2020-04-27 8:47 ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] fs/xfs: support dedupe for fsdax Shiyang Ruan
2020-04-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] dax: Add a dax-rmap tree to support reflink Matthew Wilcox
2020-04-28 6:09 ` 回复: " Ruan, Shiyang
2020-04-28 6:43 ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-28 9:32 ` Ruan Shiyang
2020-04-28 11:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-04-28 11:24 ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-28 15:37 ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-28 22:02 ` Dave Chinner
2020-06-04 7:37 ` Ruan Shiyang
2020-06-04 14:51 ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-06-05 1:30 ` Dave Chinner
2020-06-05 2:30 ` Ruan Shiyang
2020-06-05 2:11 ` Ruan Shiyang [this message]
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