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From: Bill Pringlemeir <bpringle@sympatico.ca>
To: Brad Chapman <kakadu_croc@yahoo.com>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [IDEA+RFC] Possible solution for min()/max() war
Date: 26 Aug 2001 13:59:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2n14mn1ne.fsf@sympatico.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010825005302.34876.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: Brad Chapman's message of "Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:53:02 -0700 (PDT)"

>>>>> "Brad" == Brad Chapman <kakadu_croc@yahoo.com> writes:

 Brad> 	OK. The existing API is wrong and the new min()/max() macros
 Brad> are the right way to properly compare values. However, we could
 Brad> always add a config option to enable a compatibility macro,
 Brad> which would use typeof() on one of the two variables and then
 Brad> call the real min()/max(). Something like this (just an
 Brad> example):

       #ifdef CONFIG_ALLOW_COMPAT_MINMAX
       #define proper_min(t, a, b)	((t)(a) < (t)(b) ? (a) : (b))
       #define proper_max(t, a, b)	((t)(a) > (t)(b) ? (a) : (b))
       #define min(a, b)		proper_min(typeof(a), a, b)
       #define max(a, b)		proper_max(typeof(a), a, b)
       #else
       #define min(t, a, b)		((t)(a) < (t)(b) ? (a) : (b))
       #define max(t, a, b)		((t)(a) < (t)(b) ? (a) : (b))
       #endif

Conditionals are bad.  Casting is bad.  In my opinion the only
semantically correct version would be something like this,

#define min(x,y)                                       \
                                                       \
  ({typeof(x) _x = 0; typeof(y) _y = 0;                \
    if ((_x-1>0 && _y-1<0) || (_x-1<0 && _y-1>0)) {    \
         if((x) < 0 ||  (y) < 0)                       \
                exit(SIGNED_UNSIGNED_CONFLICT);        \
    }                                                  \
        _x = (x), _y = (y); (_x>_y)?_y:_x;             \
   }) 

I think that if you are mixing signed and unsigned you should have had
a check before hand to gaurentee that any casting away of the sign is
ok.  It is ok if the variable is in range, it is not if they are out
of range.  However, this incurs a runtime check which is not
appropriate for kernel level code.

As several other people have noted, the casting is bad from a
maintainability prospective.  This is slapping your best friend in the
face; the compiler.  Also, the three arg macro breaks compatibility
with a long standing `C' min/max macro convention.

Probably we should just shutup for now until Linus can clarify what it
is that he wants to achieve and avoid.  Since there is probably no way
to make a universally correct min/max macro in `C', you need to have
some sort of goal to achieve.

regards,
Bill Pringlemeir.








  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-26 18:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-24 22:42 [IDEA+RFC] Possible solution for min()/max() war Brad Chapman
2001-08-24 23:21 ` Ben LaHaise
2001-08-24 23:58   ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-25  0:13     ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-25  0:25       ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-25  0:34         ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-25  0:53           ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-25  1:15             ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-25 11:21               ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-27  0:02               ` Rusty Russell
2001-08-28  4:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-28  5:20                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-28  5:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-28 11:10                       ` Alan Cox
2001-08-28 14:15                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-28 20:06                         ` John Alvord
2001-08-28 12:42                   ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 13:27                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-28 14:19                       ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 15:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-28 15:44                           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-08-28 15:55                             ` Russell King
2001-08-28 16:05                             ` Alan Cox
2001-08-28 16:53                               ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 16:39                           ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 21:51                             ` Mike Castle
2001-08-29  0:33                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-29  1:13                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-29 15:42                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-29 16:02                                 ` David Lang
2001-08-29 23:49                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-30  2:05                                     ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2001-08-30  3:28                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-30 13:10                                       ` Ion Badulescu
2001-08-30 13:17                                         ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-30 13:26                                           ` Ion Badulescu
2001-08-30 16:09                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-30 16:28                                           ` Ion Badulescu
2001-08-31 12:50                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-08-31 13:45                                               ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-31 16:27                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-08-30 16:31                                           ` Ben LaHaise
2001-08-30 16:38                                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 19:51                                             ` David Weinehall
2001-08-30 20:16                                               ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 20:31                                               ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found]                                             ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/200108301638.SAA04923@nbd.it.uc3m.es>
2001-08-30 22:42                                               ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2001-08-30 23:27                                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31  0:55                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-31  1:28                                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 13:22                                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 14:02                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-31 15:34                                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 22:25                                                         ` [PATCH] i386 SA_INTERRUPT logic Jonathan Lundell
2001-08-31 12:01                                                   ` [IDEA+RFC] Possible solution for min()/max() war Roman Zippel
2001-08-31 12:13                                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 12:58                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-31 13:29                                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 14:12                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-31 14:28                                                             ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 16:30                                                               ` Roman Zippel
2001-09-07  0:52                                                   ` Bill Pringlemeir
2001-09-07  7:26                                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-09-07 12:28                                                       ` Horst von Brand
2001-09-07 18:03                                                         ` Mark H. Wood
2001-09-07 10:58                                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-09-07 14:39                                                       ` Bill Pringlemeir
2001-09-07 15:17                                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 13:49                                       ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-30 16:21                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-30 16:41                                           ` Christopher Friesen
2001-08-30 16:50                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-30 17:13                                           ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-31  1:28                                           ` Ion Badulescu
2001-08-31  5:08                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-31 12:37                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-08-31 13:54                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-30 17:01                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-30 17:03                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 17:26                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-31  8:04                                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-08-30 21:16                                         ` Graham Murray
2001-08-30 21:47                                           ` David Weinehall
2001-08-31 10:10                                             ` Helge Hafting
     [not found]                                           ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/m266b51c5c.fsf@barnowl.demon.co.uk>
2001-08-30 22:26                                             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2001-08-28 16:09                         ` Andreas Schwab
2001-08-28 16:47                           ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 17:12                             ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2001-08-28 17:28                               ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 17:29                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-26 17:59             ` Bill Pringlemeir [this message]
2001-08-24 23:59   ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-25  0:07   ` David S. Miller
2001-08-25  0:18     ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-25  0:23     ` David S. Miller
     [not found] <20010825021651.I8296@router.ranmachan.dyndns.org>
2001-08-25  0:21 ` Brad Chapman
     [not found] <20010825024248.J8296@router.ranmachan.dyndns.org>
2001-08-25  0:54 ` Brad Chapman
     [not found] <200108281746.f7SHk1O27199@lists.us.dell.com>
2001-08-28 19:33 ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-28 19:02   ` David Lang
2001-08-28 20:38     ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-28 19:25       ` David Lang
2001-08-28 20:34   ` Andreas Schwab
2001-08-28 20:42     ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-28 21:04       ` Christopher Friesen
2001-08-29  9:03       ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-29  1:33 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
     [not found] <200108291905.f7TJ59T11456@wildsau.idv-edu.uni-linz.ac.at>
2001-08-29 19:11 ` Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-30  9:56 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-30 13:09 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-30 17:32 mike_phillips
2001-08-30 17:45 ` Ion Badulescu
2001-08-30 20:35 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-30 20:44 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-30 21:06 ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 21:14   ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-30 21:32     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 21:47       ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-30 21:56         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 22:13           ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-30 22:47             ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 23:02               ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-31  0:08           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-30 21:49       ` Mark Zealey
2001-08-30 22:06         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 22:14           ` Mark Zealey
2001-08-31  7:04   ` Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-30 21:17 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-30 21:45   ` Thomas Dodd
2001-08-30 21:46   ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 23:16   ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-30 23:33   ` David Wagner
2001-08-31 11:18   ` Bernd Schmidt
     [not found] <791753058.999219857@[169.254.198.40]>
2001-08-31  0:57 ` Peter T. Breuer
     [not found] <20010830174227.A10673@furble>
2001-08-31  1:19 ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31  2:10   ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31  7:43   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-08-31  8:27     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-31  2:34 Andy Chou
2001-08-31  2:48 Rick Hohensee
2001-08-31 14:28 Martin Knoblauch
2001-08-31 14:28 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-31 14:37 ` Herbert Rosmanith
     [not found] <fa.ehba65v.10i6abc@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.odqvefv.g4k4j6@ifi.uio.no>
2001-08-31 15:45   ` ctm
2001-08-31 16:57     ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-31 17:41 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-31 17:57 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-31 18:13 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-31 18:24 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-31 18:29 Andy Chou
2001-08-31 18:52 ` Roman Zippel
     [not found] <fa.eeq0k8v.1v28iaa@ifi.uio.no>
2001-08-31 18:40 ` Ted Unangst
2001-09-03 20:35 David desJardins
2001-09-04  8:08 ` VDA
2001-09-03 23:16 David desJardins
2001-09-04  9:09 VDA
2001-09-04 13:17 Petr Vandrovec
2001-09-06  1:51 Rick Hohensee
2001-09-06 10:12 ` VDA
     [not found] <m2bskndlkt.fsf@sympatico.ca>
2001-09-07 17:39 ` Peter T. Breuer

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