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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matt Mullins <mmullins@mmlx.us>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
	Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>, Andrii Nakryiko <andriin@fb.com>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	KP Singh <kpsingh@chromium.org>, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: violating function pointer signature
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 09:36:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201119083648.GE3121392@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201118191127.GM2672@gate.crashing.org>

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 01:11:27PM -0600, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> Calling this via a different declared function type is undefined
> behaviour, but that is independent of how the function is *defined*.
> Your program can make ducks appear from your nose even if that function
> is never called, if you do that.  Just don't do UB, not even once!

Ah, see, here I think we disagree. UB is a flaw of the spec, but the
real world often has very sane behaviour there (sometimes also very
much not).

In this particular instance the behaviour is UB because the C spec
doesn't want to pin down the calling convention, which is something I
can understand. But once you combine the C spec with the ABI(s) at hand,
there really isn't two ways about it. This has to work, under the
premise that the ABI defines a caller cleanup calling convention.

So in the view that the compiler is a glorified assembler, I'll take UB
every day if it means I can get the thing to do what I want it to.

Obviously in the interest of co-operation and longer term viability, it
would be nice if we can agree on the behaviour and get a language
extention covering it.

Note that we have a fairly extensive tradition of defining away UB with
language extentions, -fno-strict-overflow, -fno-strict-aliasing,
-fno-delete-null-pointer-checks etc..



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-19  8:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-16 22:51 [PATCH] tracepoint: Do not fail unregistering a probe due to memory allocation Steven Rostedt
2020-11-16 23:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-17 19:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-11-17 19:21   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-17 19:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-11-17 20:34       ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-17 20:58         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-17 21:22           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-11-17 22:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-17 23:08               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-11-18  1:11                 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-17 21:08         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-11-18 13:21         ` violating function pointer signature Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-18 13:59           ` Florian Weimer
2020-11-18 14:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-18 14:18               ` Florian Weimer
2020-11-18 14:34                 ` [PATCH v3] tracepoint: Do not fail unregistering a probe due to memory allocation Steven Rostedt
2020-11-24  5:59                   ` Matt Mullins
2020-11-18 14:22             ` violating function pointer signature Steven Rostedt
2020-11-18 19:46               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-11-18 20:02                 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-18 14:02           ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-18 16:01             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-11-18 16:19               ` David Laight
2020-11-18 16:50           ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-18 17:17             ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-18 18:12               ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-11-18 18:31                 ` Florian Weimer
2020-11-18 18:55                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-11-18 18:58                   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-18 18:59                     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-18 19:11                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-11-18 19:33                       ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-18 19:48                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-11-18 20:44                           ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-19  8:21                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-19  8:36                       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-11-19 14:37                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-11-19 14:59                           ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-19 16:35                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-11-19 17:42                               ` David Laight
2020-11-19 19:27                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-11-19 17:04                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-11-19 17:30                               ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-20  1:31                               ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-17 21:33 ` [PATCH] tracepoint: Do not fail unregistering a probe due to memory allocation Kees Cook
2020-11-17 22:19   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-17 23:12     ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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