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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	jacob.e.keller@intel.com, roopa@nvidia.com, mlxsw@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [patch net-next RFC 00/10] introduce line card support for modular switch
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:27:16 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210113182716.2b2aa8fa@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210113121222.733517-1-jiri@resnulli.us>

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:12:12 +0100 Jiri Pirko wrote:
> This patchset introduces support for modular switch systems.
> NVIDIA Mellanox SN4800 is an example of such. It contains 8 slots
> to accomodate line cards. Available line cards include:
> 16X 100GbE (QSFP28)
> 8X 200GbE (QSFP56)
> 4X 400GbE (QSFP-DD)
> 
> Similar to split cabels, it is essencial for the correctness of
> configuration and funcionality to treat the line card entities
> in the same way, no matter the line card is inserted or not.
> Meaning, the netdevice of a line card port cannot just disappear
> when line card is removed. Also, system admin needs to be able
> to apply configuration on netdevices belonging to line card port
> even before the linecard gets inserted.

I don't understand why that would be. Please provide reasoning, 
e.g. what the FW/HW limitation is.

> To resolve this, a concept of "provisioning" is introduced.
> The user may "provision" certain slot with a line card type.
> Driver then creates all instances (devlink ports, netdevices, etc)
> related to this line card type. The carrier of netdevices stays down.
> Once the line card is inserted and activated, the carrier of the
> related netdevices goes up.

Dunno what "line card" means for Mellovidia but I don't think 
the analogy of port splitting works. To my knowledge traditional
line cards often carry processors w/ full MACs etc. so I'd say 
plugging in a line card is much more like plugging in a new NIC.

There is no way to tell a breakout cable from normal one, so the
system has no chance to magically configure itself. Besides SFP
is just plugging a cable, not a module of the system.. 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-01-14  2:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-13 12:12 [patch net-next RFC 00/10] introduce line card support for modular switch Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 01/10] devlink: add support to create line card and expose to user Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 15:47   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 02/10] devlink: implement line card provisioning Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 16:03   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-15 16:51     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 18:09       ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-18 12:50         ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 03/10] devlink: implement line card active state Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 16:06   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-15 16:52     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 04/10] devlink: append split port number to the port name Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 05/10] devlink: add port to line card relationship set Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 16:10   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-15 16:53     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 06/10] netdevsim: introduce line card support Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 07/10] netdevsim: allow port objects to be linked with line cards Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 08/10] netdevsim: create devlink line card object and implement provisioning Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 16:30   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-15 16:54     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 09/10] netdevsim: implement line card activation Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 10/10] selftests: add netdevsim devlink lc test Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 13:39 ` [patch iproute2/net-next RFC] devlink: add support for linecard show and provision Jiri Pirko
2021-01-14  2:07 ` [patch net-next RFC 00/10] introduce line card support for modular switch Andrew Lunn
2021-01-14  7:39   ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-14 22:56     ` Jacob Keller
2021-01-15 14:19       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-19 11:56   ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-19 14:51     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-20  8:36       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-20 13:56         ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-20 23:41           ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-21  0:01             ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-21  0:16               ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-21 15:34               ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-21 15:32             ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-21 16:38               ` David Ahern
2021-01-22  7:28                 ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-22 14:13                   ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-26 11:33                     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-26 13:56                       ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-27  7:57                         ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-27 14:14                           ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-27 14:57                             ` David Ahern
2021-01-28  8:14                             ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-28 14:17                               ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-29  7:20                                 ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]                                   ` <YBQujIdnFtEhWqTF@lunn.ch>
2021-01-29 16:45                                     ` Vadim Pasternak
2021-01-29 17:31                                       ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-30 14:19                                         ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]                                           ` <251d1e12-1d61-0922-31f8-a8313f18f194@gmail.com>
2021-02-01  8:16                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2021-02-01 13:41                                               ` Andrew Lunn
2021-02-03 14:57                                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2021-02-03 16:26                                                   ` Andrew Lunn
2021-02-01  1:43                                       ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-22  8:05                 ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-19 16:23     ` David Ahern
2021-01-20  8:37       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-14  2:27 ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2021-01-14  7:48   ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-14 23:30     ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-15 14:39       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 19:26         ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-18 13:00           ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-18 17:59             ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-19 11:51               ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-18 22:55             ` David Ahern
2021-01-22  8:01               ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-14 22:58   ` Jacob Keller
2021-01-14 23:20     ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-15 14:40       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 15:43 ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-15 16:55   ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 18:01     ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-18 13:03       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-18 18:01 ` Edwin Peer
2021-01-18 22:57   ` David Ahern
2021-01-18 23:40     ` Edwin Peer
2021-01-19  2:39       ` David Ahern
2021-01-19  5:06         ` Edwin Peer

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