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From: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
To: Shyam Sundar S K <Shyam-sundar.S-k@amd.com>,
	"Limonciello, Mario" <mario.limonciello@amd.com>,
	markgross@kernel.org
Cc: platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org, Patil.Reddy@amd.com,
	Mark Pearson <markpearson@lenovo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 13/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Handle AMT and CQL events for Auto mode
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:59:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <79264f93-dd2c-e54e-7d77-b91193307841@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <194be06e-5831-eb0e-5018-61f1cfcf9912@amd.com>

Hi,

On 7/29/22 19:40, Shyam Sundar S K wrote:
> Hi Mario,
> 
> On 7/29/2022 9:13 PM, Limonciello, Mario wrote:
>> On 7/29/2022 06:03, Hans de Goede wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So as for the AMT mode, since that is Lenovo only, I guess that means
>>>>> that there is no need to do call amd_pmf_update_slider() when AMT
>>>>> is being disabled since at this point the firmware will have
>>>>> already set the values.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, Shyam made this modification for v2 to make sure that code path
>>>> isn't called unless static slider was set in the BIOS.
>>>
>>> But this code path is only hit when AMT / auto mode is available and
>>> when that is true then the static slider should never be set in the BIOS
>>> so the whole amd_pmf_update_slider() call on AMT disable can simply
>>> be dropped AFAICT.
>>
>> The reason to leave it in place but guarded like this is for validation
>> of the feature behaves properly from AMD internal systems AMD test BIOS.
>>  It can be used to prove out something works properly without needing to
>> include extra drivers and software.
> 
> Yes. We will need this path to check on the internal CRB system to
> validate the 'auto mode'. Whenever the amd-pmf driver gets the AMT
> disable event we shall disable the power-settings w.r.t to 'auto mode'.
> 
> I moved the handling to amd_pmf_reset_amt() based on Hans review
> remarks, and its guarded with a if() check, so that we accidentally
> don't land up in updating the static slider.
> 
> Also left a note on the same function, so that it provides some
> information on why the logic is being done in that way.
> 
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually this seems to mean that we must ensure that the AMD-PMF
>>>>> code stops touching these settings as soon as the event is received.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which would imply killing the periodic work when an AMT off event
>>>>> is received from within the event handling and then restating it
>>>>> when AMT is on (and making sure the work being queued or not state
>>>>> matches the AMT on/off state at driver probe time) ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At first glance this seems plausible, but actually I think it should
>>>> stay as is because CQL thermals can be set at any time (that's like a
>>>> lap mode sensor event from thinkpad_acpi).  Even when AMT is turned
>>>> off, you may want the CQL thermal profile set accordingly.
>>>
>>> So the CQL code is to handle lapmode when AMT is active. But I would
>>> expect the firmware to update the power-limits, etc. for lapmode itself
>>> when in performance mode. >
>>> The amd_pmf_update_2_cql() function only does things when
>>> config_store.current_mode == AUTO_PERFORMANCE (or
>>> AUTO_PERFORMANCE_ON_LAP)
>>>
>>> And that reflects the last mode selected by the auto/AMT mode code, not
>>> the mode actual set by thinkpad_acpi so if the last auto selected mode
>>> was balanced and then AMT gets disabled because thinkpad_acpi switches
>>> to performance mode, then on CQL events after the switch
>>> amd_pmf_update_2_cql()
>>> will not do anything.
>>>
>>> To me it seems that when AMT is off the AMD-PMF code should not touch
>>> the power-limits, etc. at all and thus it should also always ignore
>>> CQL events when AMT is off.
>>>
>>> This assumes that the firmware takes care of udating the limits for
>>> on lap / off lap when thinkpad_acpi's profile is set to performance.
>>
>> Where does this assumption come from?  I guess that's how it's done on
>> Lenovo's Intel systems?
>>
>> AMT and CQL is a new feature on Lenovo AMD systems, this is the way that
>> it's supposed to be done here.
> 
> Yes, this was newly designed for Lenovo AMD systems. The behavior is
> same on windows too (atleast on the RMB laptops today) .
> 
> When the system is running in 'auto-mode performance' and the user keeps
> the system on his lap, amd-pmf driver receives a 'CQL' event from Lenovo
> BIOS. In this case, the amd-pmf driver shall apply thermal limits w.r.t
> to 'auto-mode performance-on-lap' and not 'auto-mode performance'.

The question here is not about the 'auto-mode performance' mode
but what to do when AMT / 'auto-mode performance' is disabled.

What should the behavior of the AMD-PMf code be when it receives
a CQL event when AMT is disabled ?

>>> If thinkpad_acpi does not do this then the AMD-PMF code should
>>> check what mode has been selected by the thinkpad_acpi code in
>>> amd_pmf_update_2_cql() when AMT is off.

Regards,

Hans


  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-29 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-12 14:58 [PATCH v1 00/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Introduce AMD PMF Driver Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 01/15] ACPI: platform_profile: Add support for notification chains Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-12 15:03   ` Limonciello, Mario
2022-07-27 13:24     ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-27 20:38   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 02/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Add support for PMF core layer Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 13:57   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 03/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Add support for PMF APCI layer Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 13:57   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 04/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Add support SPS PMF feature Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 19:29   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-27 20:26     ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 05/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Add debugfs information Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 19:50   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 06/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Add heartbeat signal support Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 19:53   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 07/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Add fan control support Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 20:11   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 08/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Get performance metrics from PMFW Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 20:36   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 09/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Add support for CnQF Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 20:51   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-27 21:00   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 10/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Add sysfs to toggle CnQF Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 20:52   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-27 21:12     ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 11/15] Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-amd-pmf: Add ABI doc for AMD PMF Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 20:52   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 12/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Add support for Auto mode feature Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 21:22   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-28 12:57     ` Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-28 13:15       ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 13/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Handle AMT and CQL events for Auto mode Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 21:33   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-27 21:44   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-27 21:46   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-27 23:52     ` Limonciello, Mario
2022-07-28 13:03       ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-28 13:43         ` Limonciello, Mario
2022-07-28 14:09           ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-28 14:38             ` Limonciello, Mario
2022-07-28 17:46               ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-28 18:06                 ` Limonciello, Mario
2022-07-28 18:17                   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-28 21:01                     ` Limonciello, Mario
2022-07-29 11:03                       ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-29 15:43                         ` Limonciello, Mario
2022-07-29 17:40                           ` Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-29 17:59                             ` Hans de Goede [this message]
2022-08-01 10:29                               ` Shyam Sundar S K
2022-08-01 11:08                                 ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 14/15] platform/x86/amd/pmf: Force load driver on older supported platforms Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 21:40   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 14:58 ` [PATCH v1 15/15] MAINTAINERS: Add AMD PMF driver entry Shyam Sundar S K
2022-07-27 21:41   ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-28 17:44     ` Shyam Sundar S K

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