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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::331 X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: =?UTF-8?B?QWxleCBCZW5uw6ll?= , QEMU Developers Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 12:42, Markus Armbruster wrote: > > Markus Armbruster writes: > > > Alex Benn=C3=A9e writes: > > > >> Markus Armbruster writes: > >> > >>> I hate to interfere with the merging of working code for non-technica= l > >>> reasons.... > >>> > >>> This is a plugin interface. As I wrote in reply to v4, I'd like to s= ee > >>> a pragmatic argument why abuse of the plugin interface to circumvent = the > >>> GPL is not practical. This might include "not a stable interface", "= you > >>> have to link with a truckload of gpl code", "the set of things you ca= n > >>> do is deliberately extremely limited". > [...] > >>> If merging this could be delayed until the licensing ramifications ha= ve > >>> become a bit more clear, I'd be obliged. > >> > >> I'd rather not unless we can make an exception for late merging of the > >> PR. I've worked quite hard to make sure everything is ready for the 4.= 2 > >> window and I'd rather not miss a whole release cycle on a > >> misunderstanding of what these plugins allow. > > > > I think there are multiple ways to avoid the nuclear outcome. > > > > Coming to a conclusion before the soft freeze is the nicest one. > > > > Making an exception for late merging is another one, but Peter may > > prefer not to. > > > > Yet another one is merging the pull request before the soft freeze with > > the understanding that it'll be reverted unless we come to a positive > > conclusion before say -rc0 (Nov 5). I'm confident we can work it out i= n > > Lyon. > > The series has since been merged, so just for the record: we did. The > plugin interface looks useful for its stated purposes, yet pretty > useless for GPL circumvention. We'll evolve it deliberately to preserve > that property. The one specific thing that did come out of discussions at Lyon was that we'd like to have a basic "check the version" to catch mismatched/out-of-date plugins; Alex has a patch on list for that. thanks -- PMM