From: Alistair Francis <alistair23@gmail.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: "open list:RISC-V" <qemu-riscv@nongnu.org>,
Sagar Karandikar <sagark@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
bastian@mail.uni-paderborn.de, Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Alistair Francis <Alistair.Francis@wdc.com>,
LIU ZhiWei <zhiwei_liu@c-sky.com>,
Aleksandar Markovic <aleksandar.m.mail@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] RISC-V: Vector && DSP Extension
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:37:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKmqyKM44ZAHgc5cYAiAXXtVG=dMcX1i7FLn+2mMwM1Av4Gqzg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA9bDU4AWetkR4w4WLUzMW_MMy0CsVa5SibWqf85RyaX5g@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 2:07 AM Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 09:53, Aleksandar Markovic
> <aleksandar.m.mail@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We can accept draft
> > > extensions in QEMU as long as they are disabled by default.
>
> > Hi, Alistair, Palmer,
> >
> > Is this an official stance of QEMU community, or perhaps Alistair's
> > personal judgement, or maybe a rule within risv subcomunity?
>
> Alistair asked on a previous thread; my view was:
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2019-07/msg03364.html
> and nobody else spoke up disagreeing (summary: should at least be
> disabled-by-default and only enabled by setting an explicit
> property whose name should start with the 'x-' prefix).
Agreed!
>
> In general QEMU does sometimes introduce experimental extensions
> (we've had them in the block layer, for example) and so the 'x-'
> property to enable them is a reasonably established convention.
> I think it's a reasonable compromise to allow this sort of work
> to start and not have to live out-of-tree for a long time, without
> confusing users or getting into a situation where some QEMU
> versions behave differently or to obsolete drafts of a spec
> without it being clear from the command line that experimental
> extensions are being enabled.
>
> There is also an element of "submaintainer judgement" to be applied
> here -- upstream is probably not the place for a draft extension
> to be implemented if it is:
> * still fast moving or subject to major changes of design direction
> * major changes to the codebase (especially if it requires
> changes to core code) that might later need to be redone
> entirely differently
> * still experimental
Yep, agreed. For RISC-V I think this would extend to only allowing
extensions that have backing from the foundation and are under active
discussion.
Alistair
>
> thanks
> -- PMM
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-15 21:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-08 9:39 [Qemu-devel] RISC-V: Vector && DSP Extension liuzhiwei
2019-08-08 11:29 ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-08 13:48 ` Chih-Min Chao
2019-08-08 14:19 ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-10 13:35 ` LIU ZhiWei
2019-08-10 1:54 ` Alistair Francis
2019-08-10 13:55 ` LIU ZhiWei
2019-08-11 16:50 ` Alistair Francis
2019-08-15 8:53 ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-15 9:07 ` Peter Maydell
2019-08-15 10:32 ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-15 21:37 ` Alistair Francis [this message]
2019-08-21 19:31 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2019-08-21 23:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-riscv] " Jonathan Behrens
2019-08-22 1:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " liuzhiwei
2019-08-22 22:37 ` Alistair Francis
2019-08-28 0:25 ` Palmer Dabbelt
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