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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 -tip 06/26] sched: Add core wide task selection and scheduling.
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 13:57:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201023175724.GA3563800@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201023135400.GA2651@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 03:54:00PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 03:51:29PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 09:43:16PM -0400, Joel Fernandes (Google) wrote:
> > > +			/*
> > > +			 * If this sibling doesn't yet have a suitable task to
> > > +			 * run; ask for the most elegible task, given the
> > > +			 * highest priority task already selected for this
> > > +			 * core.
> > > +			 */
> > > +			p = pick_task(rq_i, class, max);
> > > +			if (!p) {
> > > +				/*
> > > +				 * If there weren't no cookies; we don't need to
> > > +				 * bother with the other siblings.
> > > +				 * If the rest of the core is not running a tagged
> > > +				 * task, i.e.  need_sync == 0, and the current CPU
> > > +				 * which called into the schedule() loop does not
> > > +				 * have any tasks for this class, skip selecting for
> > > +				 * other siblings since there's no point. We don't skip
> > > +				 * for RT/DL because that could make CFS force-idle RT.
> > > +				 */
> > > +				if (i == cpu && !need_sync && class == &fair_sched_class)
> > > +					goto next_class;
> > > +
> > > +				continue;
> > > +			}
> > 
> > I'm failing to understand the class == &fair_sched_class bit.

The last line in the comment explains it "We don't skip for RT/DL because
that could make CFS force-idle RT.".

Even if need_sync == false, we need to go look at other CPUs (non-local
CPUs) to see if they could be running RT.

Say the RQs in a particular core look like this:
Let CFS1 and CFS2 be 2 tagged CFS tags. Let RT1 be an untagged RT task.

rq0	       rq1
CFS1 (tagged)  RT1 (not tag)
CFS2 (tagged)

Say schedule() runs on rq0. Now, it will enter the above loop and
pick_task(RT) will return NULL for 'p'. It will enter the above if() block
and see that need_sync == false and will skip RT entirely.

The end result of the selection will be (say prio(CFS1) > prio(CFS2)):
rq0		rq1
CFS1		IDLE

When it should have selected:
rq0		r1
IDLE		RT

I saw this issue on real-world usecases in ChromeOS where an RT task gets
constantly force-idled and breaks RT. The "class == &fair_sched_class" bit
cures it.

> > > +                          * for RT/DL because that could make CFS force-idle RT.
> > IIRC the condition is such that the core doesn't have a cookie (we don't
> > need to sync the threads) so we'll only do a pick for our local CPU.
> > 
> > That should be invariant of class.
> 
> That is; it should be the exact counterpart of this bit:
> 
> > +			/*
> > +			 * Optimize the 'normal' case where there aren't any
> > +			 * cookies and we don't need to sync up.
> > +			 */
> > +			if (i == cpu && !need_sync && !p->core_cookie) {
> > +				next = p;
> > +				goto done;
> > +			}
> 
> If there is no task found in this class, try the next class, if there
> is, we done.

That's Ok. But we cannot skip RT class on other CPUs.

thanks,

 - Joel


  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-23 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-20  1:43 [PATCH v8 -tip 00/26] Core scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 01/26] sched: Wrap rq::lock access Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 02/26] sched: Introduce sched_class::pick_task() Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-22  7:59   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-10-22 15:25     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-23  5:25       ` Li, Aubrey
2020-10-23 21:47         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-24  2:48           ` Li, Aubrey
2020-10-24 11:10             ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-10-24 12:27               ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-10-24 23:48                 ` Li, Aubrey
2020-10-26  9:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-27  3:17                   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-10-27 14:19                   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-27 15:23                     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-27 14:14                 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 03/26] sched: Core-wide rq->lock Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-26 11:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-27 16:27     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 04/26] sched/fair: Add a few assertions Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 05/26] sched: Basic tracking of matching tasks Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 06/26] sched: Add core wide task selection and scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-23 13:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 13:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 17:57       ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2020-10-23 19:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 21:31           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-26  8:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-27 16:58               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-26  9:31             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-05 18:50               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-05 22:07                 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-23 15:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 17:59     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 07/26] sched/fair: Fix forced idle sibling starvation corner case Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 08/26] sched/fair: Snapshot the min_vruntime of CPUs on force idle Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-26 12:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-28 15:29     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-28 18:39     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-29 16:59     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-29 18:24     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-29 18:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-30  2:36         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-30  2:42           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-30  8:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-31 21:41               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 09/26] sched: Trivial forced-newidle balancer Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 10/26] sched: migration changes for core scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 11/26] irq_work: Cleanup Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 12/26] arch/x86: Add a new TIF flag for untrusted tasks Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 13/26] kernel/entry: Add support for core-wide protection of kernel-mode Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  3:41   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-11-03  0:20     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-22  5:48   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-03  0:50     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-30 10:29   ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-03  1:20     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-06 16:57       ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-06 17:43         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-06 18:07           ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-10  9:35       ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-10 22:42         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-16 10:08           ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:50             ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-16 15:43               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 14/26] entry/idle: Enter and exit kernel protection during idle entry and exit Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 15/26] entry/kvm: Protect the kernel when entering from guest Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 16/26] sched: cgroup tagging interface for core scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 17/26] sched: Split the cookie and setup per-task cookie on fork Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-04 22:30   ` chris hyser
2020-11-05 14:49     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-09 23:30     ` chris hyser
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 18/26] sched: Add a per-thread core scheduling interface Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 19/26] sched: Add a second-level tag for nested CGroup usecase Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-31  0:42   ` Josh Don
2020-11-03  2:54     ` Joel Fernandes
     [not found]   ` <6c07e70d-52f2-69ff-e1fa-690cd2c97f3d@linux.intel.com>
2020-11-05 15:52     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 20/26] sched: Release references to the per-task cookie on exit Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-04 21:50   ` chris hyser
2020-11-05 15:46     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 21/26] sched: Handle task addition to CGroup Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 22/26] sched/debug: Add CGroup node for printing group cookie if SCHED_DEBUG Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 23/26] kselftest: Add tests for core-sched interface Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-30 22:20   ` [PATCH] sched: Change all 4 space tabs to actual tabs John B. Wyatt IV
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 24/26] sched: Move core-scheduler interfacing code to a new file Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-26  1:05   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-03  2:58     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 25/26] Documentation: Add core scheduling documentation Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  3:36   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-11-12 16:11     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 26/26] sched: Debug bits Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-30 13:26 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 00/26] Core scheduling Ning, Hongyu
2020-11-06  2:58   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-06 17:54     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-09  6:04       ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-06 20:55 ` [RFT for v9] (Was Re: [PATCH v8 -tip 00/26] Core scheduling) Joel Fernandes
2020-11-13  9:22   ` Ning, Hongyu
2020-11-13 10:01     ` Ning, Hongyu

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