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From: Ted Toth <txtoth@gmail.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>, Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: MLS dominance check behavior on el7
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:49:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFPpqQEw38WqjLCdHba=krGygiUqp8Z8i+UG6d4CTkg0rW9i3Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85bb9bec-2bda-34fa-1f7d-256470c4f38c@tycho.nsa.gov>

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Yes I too noticed the translate permission but couldn't find any info
related to it intended purpose. Regarding CIL unfortunately I have zero
experience with it but I've installed the compiler and started reading
through https://github.com/SELinuxProject/cil/wiki (any other pointers to
useful info would be appreciated). I have written lots of policy would it
be possible to add a class/permissions/mlsconstraints in an old-fashion
policy module?

On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 1:27 PM Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:

> On 09/11/2018 10:41 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> > On 09/10/2018 06:30 PM, Ted Toth wrote:
> >> mcstrans mcscolor.c also uses the same logic I'd been using to check
> >> dominance so this too will no longer function as expected on el7. Do
> >> you any suggestions for doing a 'generic' (one not tied to a specific
> >> resource class) dominance check in lieu of context contains?
> >
> > You should probably define your own permission with its own constraint
> > to avoid depending on the base policy's particular constraint
> > definitions.  Certainly for your own code.  For mcstrans, mcscolor
> > probably ought to be switched to using at least a separate permission in
> > the context class if not its own class to avoid overloading the meaning
> > with pam_selinux's usage (or vice versa, but likely harder to change
> > pam_selinux at this point).
> >
> > It is possible to define an entirely new class, its permissions, and its
> > mls constraints via a CIL module IIUC, without needing to change the
> > base policy.
> >
> > I don't think you can add a permission to an existing class via a CIL
> > module currently, unfortunately, so you can't just extend the context
> > class without modifying the base policy.  So it may be easier to define
> > an entirely new class.
> >
> > The class and permission ought to be specific to the usage.  For
> > example, mcstrans could have its own class (mcstrans) with its own
> > permissions (e.g. color_match or color_use or ...) that abstract away
> > the logical check being performed.  Dominance checks performed for
> > different reasons ought to use different permissions so that one can
> > distinguish what TE pairs are allowed them.
> >
> > Your code could likewise define and use its own class and permission.
> >
> > Does that make sense?
>
> BTW, I noticed there is another permission ("translate") defined in the
> context class and its constraint is ((h1 dom h2) or (t1 ==
> mlstranslate)).  I would have guessed that it was intended as a
> front-end service check over what processes could request context
> translations from mcstrans or what contexts they could translate, but I
> don't see it being used in mcstrans anywhere.  Is this a legacy thing
> from early setransd/mcstransd days?  There is a TODO comment in mcstrans
> process_request() that suggests there was an intent to perform a
> dominance check between the requester context and the specified context,
> but that's not implemented.  Appears to be allowed in current policy for
> all domains to the setrans_t domain itself.
>
> >
> >>
> >> Ted
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 1:19 PM Ted Toth <txtoth@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:txtoth@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Understood, thanks.
> >>
> >>     On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:46 PM Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov
> >>     <mailto:sds@tycho.nsa.gov>> wrote:
> >>
> >>         On 09/10/2018 01:13 PM, Ted Toth wrote:
> >>          > We currently have code running on el6 that does a MLS
> >>         dominance check by
> >>          > calling security_compute_av_raw with the security object
> class
> >>          > SECCLASS_CONTEXT with permission CONTEXT__CONTAINS as you can
> >>         see in the
> >>          > python code below. When I run this code on el6 s1 dominates
> >>         s0 however
> >>          > when I run the same code on el7 s1 does not dominate s0. On
> >>         both systems
> >>          > the file read dominance check works as expected. Can anyone
> >>         help me
> >>          > understand why the context contains check does not work the
> >>         same on both
> >>          > systems?
> >>
> >>         That would depend entirely on how the constraint is written in
> >> the
> >>         policy.  I assume this is with the -mls policy on both?  seinfo
> >>         --constrain | grep -C1 context would show you the constraint
> >> in the
> >>         kernel policy.
> >>
> >>         Looks like refpolicy defines it as:
> >>         mlsconstrain context contains
> >>                   (( h1 dom h2 ) and ( l1 domby l2));
> >>
> >>         The 2nd part of the constraint was introduced by:
> >>         commit 4c365f4a6a6f933dd13b0127e03f832c6a6cf8fc
> >>         Author: Harry Ciao <qingtao.cao@windriver.com
> >>         <mailto:qingtao.cao@windriver.com>>
> >>         Date:   Tue Feb 15 10:16:32 2011 +0800
> >>
> >>               l1 domby l2 for contains MLS constraint
> >>
> >>               As identified by Stephan Smalley, the current MLS
> >>         constraint for the
> >>               contains permission of the context class should consider
> >>         the current
> >>               level of a user along with the clearance level so that
> >>         mls_systemlow
> >>               is no longer considered contained in mls_systemhigh.
> >>
> >>               Signed-off-by: Harry Ciao <qingtao.cao@windriver.com
> >>         <mailto:qingtao.cao@windriver.com>>
> >>
> >>         This was to prevent a user from logging in at a level below
> their
> >>         authorized range, in the unusual scenario where the user's low
> >>         level was
> >>         not s0/systemlow.
> >>
> >>          >
> >>          > Ted
> >>          >
> >>          >
> >>
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>
> >>          >
> >>          > import selinux
> >>          >
> >>          > SECCLASS_CONTEXT =
> selinux.string_to_security_class("context")
> >>          > CONTEXT__CONTAINS =
> >>         selinux.string_to_av_perm(SECCLASS_CONTEXT, "contains")
> >>          > SECCLASS_FILE = selinux.string_to_security_class("file")
> >>          > FILE__READ = selinux.string_to_av_perm(SECCLASS_FILE, "read")
> >>          >
> >>          > raw_con1 = "user_u:user_r:user_t:s1"
> >>          > raw_con2 = "user_u:user_r:user_t:s0"
> >>          >
> >>          > avd = selinux.av_decision()
> >>          > selinux.avc_reset()
> >>          > try:
> >>          >      rc = selinux.security_compute_av_raw(raw_con1, raw_con2,
> >>          > SECCLASS_CONTEXT, CONTEXT__CONTAINS, avd)
> >>          >      if rc < 0:
> >>          >          print("selinux.security_compute_av_raw failed for %s
> >>         %s" %
> >>          > (raw_con1, raw_con2))
> >>          >      if (avd.allowed & CONTEXT__CONTAINS) ==
> >> CONTEXT__CONTAINS:
> >>          >          print("%s dominates %s" % (raw_con1, raw_con2))
> >>          >      else:
> >>          >          print("%s does not dominate %s" % (raw_con1,
> >> raw_con2))
> >>          > except OSError, ex:
> >>          >      print "exception calling
> >>         selinux.security_compute_av_raw", ex
> >>          >
> >>          > avd = selinux.av_decision()
> >>          > selinux.avc_reset()
> >>          > try:
> >>          >      rc = selinux.security_compute_av_raw(raw_con1, raw_con2,
> >>          > SECCLASS_FILE, FILE__READ, avd)
> >>          >      if rc < 0:
> >>          >          print("selinux.security_compute_av_raw failed for %s
> >>         %s" %
> >>          > (raw_con1, raw_con2))
> >>          >      if (avd.allowed & FILE__READ) == FILE__READ:
> >>          >          print("%s dominates %s" % (raw_con1, raw_con2))
> >>          >      else:
> >>          >          print("%s does not dominate %s" % (raw_con1,
> >> raw_con2))
> >>          >
> >>          > except OSError:
> >>          >      print "exception calling
> >>         selinux.security_compute_av_raw", ex
> >>          >
> >>          >
> >>          >
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>

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-11 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-10 17:13 MLS dominance check behavior on el7 Ted Toth
2018-09-10 17:47 ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-10 18:19   ` Ted Toth
2018-09-10 22:30     ` Ted Toth
2018-09-11 14:41       ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-11 16:53         ` Joshua Brindle
2018-09-11 17:33           ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-11 17:39             ` Joshua Brindle
2018-09-11 18:21               ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-11 18:29         ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-11 18:49           ` Ted Toth [this message]
2018-09-11 18:55             ` Yuli Khodorkovskiy
2018-09-11 19:29             ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-11 19:43               ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-11 20:59               ` Ted Toth
2018-09-12 13:05                 ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-12 13:26                   ` Ted Toth
2018-09-12 13:57                     ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-12 14:36                       ` Dominick Grift
2018-09-12 14:57                         ` Ted Toth
2018-09-14 21:18                           ` Ted Toth
2018-09-15  6:08                             ` Dominick Grift
2018-09-11 19:04           ` Joe Nall
2018-09-11 20:20             ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-30 14:43               ` Chris PeBenito
     [not found]                 ` <6e21676a-249d-8b05-dd9f-09a3671f46f7@tycho.nsa.gov>
2018-10-05 20:05                   ` Chris PeBenito
2018-10-09  2:37                     ` Chad Hanson

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