From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
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<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
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Yan Vugenfirer <yan@daynix.com>
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH 09/11] transport-pci: Describe PCI MMR dev config registers
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 13:14:59 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACGkMEvYsz1fSPG+fKpRaZ05Ut7ffKwvMPvR8xbRBsXA_6vGQw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:01 PM Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 12:51 AM
> >
> > Yes, but this proposal will drag us back to legacy, isn't it?
> No. This proposal supports the legacy transitional pci device.
>
> > Or if it is used only in
> > the vitalization environment, what's the advantages of doing it over simply
> > mediating on top of modern device?
> >
> Because the spec for modern device do not allow it. Discussed in these threads.
Can you please tell me which part of the spec disallows it? There's a
long discussion in the virtualization-list a few months ago about
mediating legacy devices on top of modern. We don't see any blocker do
you?
>
> > 1) legacy MMIO bar: spec changes, hypervisor mediation
> > 2) modern device: no spec changes, hypervisor mediation
> >
> This question repeats the same discussion occurred in this patch series.
> You might want to refer it again to avoid repeating all over again.
No, I think you miss the point that modern devices could be used for
mediating legacy devices.
>
> > 1) it's better not invent any of new facilities for legacy
> > 2) if legacy is insisted, allow MMIO BAR0 is much simpler and better
> You have missed few emails. :)
> MMIO BAR is proposed here and it is not limited to BAR 0.
In the context of mediation, why do you need that flexibility?
> It is left for the device to either map something in existing BAR or use BAR 0.
> Because PCI has only 3 BARs.
> A device may want to support legacy and non-legacy functionality both at the same time.
This is perfectly fine, this is how Qemu did:
/*
* virtio pci bar layout used by default.
* subclasses can re-arrange things if needed.
*
* region 0 -- virtio legacy io bar
* region 1 -- msi-x bar
* region 2 -- virtio modern io bar (off by default)
* region 4+5 -- virtio modern memory (64bit) bar
*
*/
> So better not to hard wire for BAR 0.
Using BAR0 doesn't prevent you from adding modern capabilities in BAR0, no?
Thanks
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2023-03-30 22:58 [virtio-dev] [PATCH 00/11] Introduce transitional mmr pci device Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 01/11] transport-pci: Use lowecase alphabets Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 02/11] transport-pci: Move transitional device id to legacy section Parav Pandit
2023-03-31 6:43 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-31 21:24 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-02 7:54 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 14:42 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 14:50 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 14:58 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 15:14 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 03/11] transport-pci: Split notes of PCI Device Layout Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 04/11] transport-pci: Rename and move legacy PCI Device layout section Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 05/11] introduction: Add missing helping verb Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 06/11] introduction: Introduce transitional MMR interface Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 9:17 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 07/11] transport-pci: Introduce transitional MMR device id Parav Pandit
2023-04-04 7:28 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-04 16:08 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 12:03 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-07 15:18 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 15:51 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-09 3:15 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 10:18 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 14:34 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 19:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 20:16 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 8:37 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 08/11] transport-pci: Introduce virtio extended capability Parav Pandit
2023-04-04 7:35 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-04 7:54 ` Cornelia Huck
2023-04-04 12:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-04 13:19 ` Cornelia Huck
2023-04-04 14:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 16:21 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 19:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 19:57 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 20:02 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 8:39 ` Cornelia Huck
2023-04-04 21:18 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05 5:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05 13:16 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 8:15 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 1:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-10 6:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 7:16 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-10 10:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 2:19 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11 7:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 9:07 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11 10:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 13:59 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 14:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 13:47 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 14:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 14:07 ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 14:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 14:30 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 17:54 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 17:58 ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 3:28 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11 19:01 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 21:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 0:40 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 2:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 4:07 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12 4:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 4:53 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-04-12 5:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 5:37 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-13 17:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 4:04 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12 4:13 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 4:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 4:55 ` Jason Wang
2023-05-19 6:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-05-19 21:02 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-05-21 5:57 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-05-21 13:24 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-05-21 14:34 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 09/11] transport-pci: Describe PCI MMR dev config registers Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 8:55 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 1:33 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-04-10 6:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 6:20 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-10 6:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 7:20 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-10 10:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 2:13 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11 7:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 9:01 ` Jason Wang
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2023-04-11 10:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 11:03 ` Yan Vugenfirer
2023-04-11 10:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 3:58 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12 4:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 4:51 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12 5:01 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 5:14 ` Jason Wang [this message]
2023-04-12 5:30 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 5:38 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-12 5:55 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
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2023-04-12 14:23 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
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2023-04-13 3:31 ` Parav Pandit
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2023-04-14 3:18 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
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2023-04-14 3:51 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14 7:05 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17 3:22 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-17 17:23 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-17 20:26 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17 20:28 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18 0:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-18 1:30 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18 11:58 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-18 12:09 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18 12:30 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-18 12:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18 1:01 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-18 1:48 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-13 17:24 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-13 21:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-13 21:08 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14 2:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-14 2:43 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14 6:57 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-16 13:41 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-16 20:44 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17 16:59 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18 1:09 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-18 1:37 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14 6:58 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-14 3:08 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-14 3:13 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14 3:18 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-14 3:22 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14 3:29 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-11 13:57 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 4:33 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 10/11] transport-pci: Use driver notification PCI capability Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 4:31 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 4:37 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 4:43 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 4:48 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 5:02 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 5:06 ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 5:17 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 5:24 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 5:27 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 11/11] conformance: Add transitional MMR interface conformance Parav Pandit
2023-03-31 7:03 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH 00/11] Introduce transitional mmr pci device Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-31 21:43 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 14:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 14:57 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 15:06 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:16 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 15:23 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:47 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:28 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 17:35 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:36 ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:16 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 17:29 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 18:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 20:25 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 21:04 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 22:00 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 9:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 1:52 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-03 14:45 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-03 14:53 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 19:11 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-03 20:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 19:48 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 20:02 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 20:42 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 21:14 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 22:08 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 19:10 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-03 20:27 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-04 14:30 ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-12 4:48 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 4:52 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 5:12 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 5:15 ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 5:23 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12 5:39 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 6:02 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-12 5:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Halil Pasic
2023-04-25 2:42 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-05-02 7:17 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-05-02 13:54 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
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