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From: Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
To: bpf@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
	Dave Marchevsky <davemarchevsky@meta.com>,
	Delyan Kratunov <delyank@meta.com>
Subject: [PATCH bpf-next v3 01/24] bpf: Document UAPI details for special BPF types
Date: Thu,  3 Nov 2022 01:56:35 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221102202658.963008-2-memxor@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221102202658.963008-1-memxor@gmail.com>

The kernel recognizes some special BPF types in map values or local
kptrs. Document that only bpf_spin_lock and bpf_timer will preserve
backwards compatibility, and kptr will preserve backwards compatibility
for the operations on the pointer, not the types supported for such
kptrs.

For local kptrs, document that there are no stability guarantees at all.

Finally, document that 'bpf_' namespace is reserved for adding future
special fields, hence BPF programs must not declare types with such
names in their programs and still expect backwards compatibility.

Signed-off-by: Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
---
 Documentation/bpf/bpf_design_QA.rst | 44 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 44 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/bpf/bpf_design_QA.rst b/Documentation/bpf/bpf_design_QA.rst
index a210b8a4df00..b5273148497c 100644
--- a/Documentation/bpf/bpf_design_QA.rst
+++ b/Documentation/bpf/bpf_design_QA.rst
@@ -298,3 +298,47 @@ A: NO.
 
 The BTF_ID macro does not cause a function to become part of the ABI
 any more than does the EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL macro.
+
+Q: What is the compatibility story for special BPF types in map values?
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------
+Q: Users are allowed to embed bpf_spin_lock, bpf_timer fields in their BPF map
+values (when using BTF support for BPF maps). This allows to use helpers for
+such objects on these fields inside map values. Users are also allowed to embed
+pointers to some kernel types (with __kptr and __kptr_ref BTF tags). Will the
+kernel preserve backwards compatibility for these features?
+
+A: It depends. For bpf_spin_lock, bpf_timer: YES, for kptr and everything else:
+NO, but see below.
+
+For struct types that have been added already, like bpf_spin_lock and bpf_timer,
+the kernel will preserve backwards compatibility, as they are part of UAPI.
+
+For kptrs, they are also part of UAPI, but only with respect to the kptr
+mechanism. The types that you can use with a __kptr and __kptr_ref tagged
+pointer in your struct is NOT part of the UAPI contract. The supported types can
+and will change across kernel releases. However, operations like accessing kptr
+fields and bpf_kptr_xchg() helper will continue to be supported across kernel
+releases for the supported types.
+
+For any other supported struct type, unless explicitly stated in this document
+and added to bpf.h UAPI header, such types can and will arbitrarily change their
+size, type, and alignment, or any other user visible API or ABI detail across
+kernel releases. The users must adapt their BPF programs to the new changes and
+update them to make sure their programs continue to work correctly.
+
+NOTE: BPF subsystem specially reserves the 'bpf_' prefix for type names, in
+order to introduce more special fields in the future. Hence, user programs must
+avoid defining types with 'bpf_' prefix to not be broken in future releases. In
+other words, no backwards compatibility is guaranteed if one using a type in BTF
+with 'bpf_' prefix.
+
+Q: What is the compatibility story for special BPF types in local kptrs?
+------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Q: Same as above, but for local kptrs (i.e. pointers to objects allocated using
+bpf_obj_new for user defined structures). Will the kernel preserve backwards
+compatibility for these features?
+
+A: NO.
+
+Unlike map value types, there are no stability guarantees for this case. The
+whole local kptr API itself is unstable (since it is exposed through kfuncs).
-- 
2.38.1


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-02 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-02 20:26 [PATCH bpf-next v3 00/24] Local kptrs, BPF linked lists Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi [this message]
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 02/24] bpf: Allow specifying volatile type modifier for kptrs Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 03/24] bpf: Clobber stack slot when writing over spilled PTR_TO_BTF_ID Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 04/24] bpf: Fix slot type check in check_stack_write_var_off Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 05/24] bpf: Drop reg_type_may_be_refcounted_or_null Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 06/24] bpf: Refactor kptr_off_tab into btf_record Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 07/24] bpf: Consolidate spin_lock, timer management " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 08/24] bpf: Refactor map->off_arr handling Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 09/24] bpf: Support bpf_list_head in map values Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03  7:44   ` kernel test robot
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 10/24] bpf: Introduce local kptrs Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 11/24] bpf: Recognize bpf_{spin_lock,list_head,list_node} in " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 12/24] bpf: Verify ownership relationships for user BTF types Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 13/24] bpf: Support locking bpf_spin_lock in local kptr Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 14/24] bpf: Allow locking bpf_spin_lock global variables Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 15/24] bpf: Rewrite kfunc argument handling Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 16/24] bpf: Drop kfunc bits from btf_check_func_arg_match Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 17/24] bpf: Support constant scalar arguments for kfuncs Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 18/24] bpf: Teach verifier about non-size constant arguments Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 19/24] bpf: Introduce bpf_obj_new Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 22:58   ` kernel test robot
2022-11-03  0:29   ` kernel test robot
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 20/24] bpf: Introduce bpf_obj_drop Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 21/24] bpf: Permit NULL checking pointer with non-zero fixed offset Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 22/24] bpf: Introduce single ownership BPF linked list API Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 23/24] selftests/bpf: Add __contains macro to bpf_experimental.h Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-02 20:26 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 24/24] selftests/bpf: Add BPF linked list API tests Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi

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