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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Chaitanya Kulkarni <chaitanyak@nvidia.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] block: add support for REQ_OP_VERIFY
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 08:16:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <72a51a83-c25a-ef52-55fb-2b73aec70305@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y4kC9NIXevPlji+j@casper.infradead.org>

On 12/1/22 20:39, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:12:46PM +0000, Chaitanya Kulkarni wrote:
>> So nobody can get away with a lie.
> 
> And yet devices do exist which lie.  I'm not surprised that vendors
> vehemently claim that they don't, or "nobody would get away with it".
> But, of course, they do.  And there's no way for us to find out if
> they're lying!
> 
But we'll never be able to figure that out unless we try.

Once we've tried we will have proof either way.
Which is why I think we should have that implementation.
Only then we'll know if it's worth it, both from the hardware and the 
application side.

Without an implementation it'll just degrade to a shouting match.

Cheers,

Hannes
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-02  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-30  9:14 [PATCH 0/6] block: add support for REQ_OP_VERIFY Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-06-30  9:14 ` [PATCH 1/6] " Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-06-30 16:18   ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-07-05 16:50     ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-07-05 17:57       ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-07-06  1:32         ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-07-05  8:34   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-05 23:55     ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-06-30  9:14 ` [PATCH 2/6] nvme: add support for the Verify command Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-06-30 16:24   ` Keith Busch
2022-07-05  8:34     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-05 23:56       ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-06-30  9:14 ` [PATCH 3/6] nvmet: add Verify command support for bdev-ns Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-06-30  9:14 ` [PATCH 4/6] nvmet: add Verify emulation " Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-07-05  8:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-06  0:00     ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-06-30  9:14 ` [PATCH 5/6] nvmet: add verify emulation support for file-ns Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-07-05  8:36   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-06  0:06     ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-06-30  9:14 ` [PATCH 6/6] null_blk: add REQ_OP_VERIFY support Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-07-05  8:38 ` [PATCH 0/6] block: add support for REQ_OP_VERIFY Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-05 16:47   ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-07-06 17:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-13  9:14   ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-07-13  9:36     ` Johannes Thumshirn
2022-07-13 12:17     ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-13 14:04       ` Keith Busch
2022-12-01 18:12   ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-12-01 19:39     ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-12-02  7:16       ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2022-12-02 14:58         ` Keith Busch
2022-12-02 17:33           ` Clay Mayers
2022-12-02 18:58             ` Keith Busch
2022-12-09  4:52             ` Martin K. Petersen
2022-12-10 13:06               ` Carlos Carvalho
2022-12-12  6:30                 ` hch
2022-12-03  4:19           ` Javier González
2022-12-04 20:29             ` Keith Busch
2022-12-08 20:06               ` Javier González
2022-12-08 20:02             ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-12-02  7:13     ` Hannes Reinecke

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