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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Jeff Hostetler <git@jeffhostetler.com>
Cc: "Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Chris Torek" <chris.torek@gmail.com>,
	"Jeff Hostetler" <jeffhost@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 11/14] unix-socket: add options to unix_stream_listen()
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:55:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YCQB4SpYhYA/cKAa@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eb64b1-a61b-f2cc-f689-6ab0b5ee83d0@jeffhostetler.com>

On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 12:39:22PM -0500, Jeff Hostetler wrote:

> Yeah, in my version two processes could still create uniquely named
> sockets and then do the rename trick.  But they capture the inode
> number of the socket before they do that.  They periodically lstat
> the socket to see if the inode number has changed and if so, assume
> it has been stolen from them.  (A bit of a hack, I admit.)

OK, that makes more sense. I saw the mention of the inode stuff in a
comment, but I didn't see it in the code (I guess if it's a periodic
check it's not in that initial socket creation function).

> And I was assuming that 2 servers starting at about the same time
> are effectively equivalent -- it doesn't matter which one dies, since
> they both should have the same amount of cached state.  Unlike the
> case where a long-running server (with lots of state) is replaced by
> a newcomer.

Yeah, I agree with that notion in general. I do think it would be easier
to reason about if the creation were truly race-proof (probably with a
dot-lock; see below), rather than the later "check if we got replaced"
thing.  OTOH, that "check" strategy covers a variety of cases (including
that somebody tried to ping us, decided we weren't alive due to a
timeout or some other system reason, and then replaced our socket).

Another strategy there could be having the daemon just decide to quit if
nobody contacts it for N time units. It is, after all, a cache. Even if
nobody replaces the socket, it probably makes sense to eventually decide
that the memory we're holding isn't going to good use.

> I am wondering if we can use the .LOCK file magic to our advantage
> here (in sort of an off-label use).  If we have the server create a
> lockfile "<path>.LOCK" and if successful leave it open/locked for the
> life of the server (rather than immediately renaming it onto <path>)
> and let the normal shutdown code rollback/delete the lockfile in the
> cleanup/atexit.
> 
> If the server successfully creates the lockfile, then unlink+create
> the socket at <path>.

I don't even think this is off-label. Though the normal use is for the
.lock file to get renamed into place as the official file, there are a
few other places where we use it solely for mutual exclusion. You just
always end with rollback_lock_file(), and never "commit" it.

So something like:

  1. Optimistically see if socket "foo" is present and accepting
     connections.

  2. If not, then take "foo.lock". If somebody else is holding it, loop
     with a timeout waiting for them to come alive.

  3. Assuming we got the lock, then either unlink+create the socket as
     "foo", or rename-into-place. I don't think it matters that much
     which.

  4. Rollback "foo.lock", unlinking it.

Then one process wins the lock and creates the socket, while any
simultaneous creators spin in step 2, and eventually connect to the
winner.

> That would give us the unique/exclusive creation (on the lock) that
> we need.  Then wrap that with all the edge case cleanup code to
> create/delete/manage the peer socket.  Basically if the lock exists,
> there should be a live server listening to the socket (unless there
> was a crash...).

I think you'd want to delete the lock as soon as you're done with the
setup. That reduces the chances that a dead server (e.g., killed by a
power outage without the chance to clean up after itself) leaves a stale
lock sitting around.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-10 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-12 15:31 [PATCH 00/10] [RFC] Simple IPC Mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 01/10] pkt-line: use stack rather than static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-13 13:29   ` Jeff King
2021-01-25 19:34     ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 02/10] pkt-line: (optionally) libify the packet readers Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 03/10] pkt-line: optionally skip the flush packet in write_packetized_from_buf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 04/10] pkt-line: accept additional options in read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 05/10] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 16:40   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 06/10] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 07/10] unix-socket: create gentle version of unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-13 14:06   ` Jeff King
2021-01-14  1:19     ` Chris Torek
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 08/10] unix-socket: add no-chdir option to unix_stream_listen_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 09/10] simple-ipc: add t/helper/test-simple-ipc and t0052 Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 10/10] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 16:50 ` [PATCH 00/10] [RFC] Simple IPC Mechanism Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-01-12 18:25   ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-01-12 20:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-12 23:25   ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-01-13  0:13     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-13  0:32       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-01-13 13:46     ` Jeff King
2021-01-13 15:48       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-01 19:45 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 01/14] ci/install-depends: attempt to fix "brew cask" stuff Junio C Hamano via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 02/14] pkt-line: promote static buffer in packet_write_gently() to callers Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02  9:41     ` Jeff King
2021-02-02 20:33       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-02 22:54       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-02-03  4:52         ` Jeff King
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 03/14] pkt-line: add write_packetized_from_buf2() that takes scratch buffer Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02  9:44     ` Jeff King
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 04/14] pkt-line: optionally skip the flush packet in write_packetized_from_buf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02  9:48     ` Jeff King
2021-02-02 22:56       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-02-05 18:30       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 05/14] pkt-line: (optionally) libify the packet readers Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 06/14] pkt-line: accept additional options in read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-11  1:52     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 07/14] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 08/14] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 09/14] simple-ipc: add t/helper/test-simple-ipc and t0052 Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02 21:35     ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-02-03  4:36       ` Jeff King
2021-02-09 15:45       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-05 19:38     ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 10/14] unix-socket: elimiate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02  9:54     ` Jeff King
2021-02-02  9:58     ` Jeff King
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 11/14] unix-socket: add options to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02 10:14     ` Jeff King
2021-02-05 23:28       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-09 16:32         ` Jeff King
2021-02-09 17:39           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-10 15:55             ` Jeff King [this message]
2021-02-10 21:31               ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 12/14] unix-socket: add no-chdir option " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02 10:26     ` Jeff King
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 13/14] unix-socket: do not call die in unix_stream_connect() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 14/14] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 22:20   ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Simple IPC Mechanism Junio C Hamano
2021-02-01 23:26     ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-02 23:07       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-02-04 19:08         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-05 13:19           ` candidate branches for `maint`, was " Johannes Schindelin
2021-02-05 19:55             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-13  0:09   ` [PATCH v3 00/12] " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 01/12] pkt-line: eliminate the need for static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 02/12] pkt-line: do not issue flush packets in write_packetized_*() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 03/12] pkt-line: (optionally) libify the packet readers Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 04/12] pkt-line: add options argument to read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 05/12] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 06/12] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 07/12] unix-socket: elimiate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 08/12] unix-socket: add backlog size option to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 09/12] unix-socket: disallow chdir() when creating unix domain sockets Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 10/12] unix-socket: create `unix_stream_server__listen_with_lock()` Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 11/12] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 12/12] t0052: add simple-ipc tests and t/helper/test-simple-ipc tool Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  9:30       ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-02-16 15:53         ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-17 21:48     ` [PATCH v4 00/12] Simple IPC Mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 01/12] pkt-line: eliminate the need for static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-26  7:21         ` Jeff King
2021-02-26 19:52           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-26 20:43             ` Jeff King
2021-03-03 19:38             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-04 13:29               ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-04 20:26                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 02/12] pkt-line: do not issue flush packets in write_packetized_*() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 03/12] pkt-line: (optionally) libify the packet readers Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-03 19:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-04 14:17           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-04 14:40             ` Jeff King
2021-03-04 20:28               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 04/12] pkt-line: add options argument to read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 05/12] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-03 20:19         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 06/12] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 07/12] unix-socket: elimiate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-26  7:25         ` Jeff King
2021-03-03 20:41         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 08/12] unix-socket: add backlog size option to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-26  7:30         ` Jeff King
2021-03-03 20:54           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 09/12] unix-socket: disallow chdir() when creating unix domain sockets Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-03 22:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-04 14:56           ` Jeff King
2021-03-04 20:34             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-04 23:34               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-05  9:02                 ` Jeff King
2021-03-05  9:25                   ` Jeff King
2021-03-05 11:59                     ` Chris Torek
2021-03-05 17:33                       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-05 17:53                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-05 21:30               ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-05 21:52                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 10/12] unix-socket: create `unix_stream_server__listen_with_lock()` Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-26  7:56         ` Jeff King
2021-03-02 23:50           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-04 15:13             ` Jeff King
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 11/12] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 12/12] t0052: add simple-ipc tests and t/helper/test-simple-ipc tool Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-02  9:44         ` Jeff King
2021-03-03 15:25           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-25 19:39       ` [PATCH v4 00/12] Simple IPC Mechanism Junio C Hamano
2021-02-26  7:59         ` Jeff King
2021-02-26 20:18           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-26 20:50             ` Jeff King
2021-03-03 19:29               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-09 15:02       ` [PATCH v5 " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 01/12] pkt-line: eliminate the need for static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 23:48           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-11 19:29             ` Jeff King
2021-03-11 20:32               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-11 20:53                 ` Jeff King
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 02/12] pkt-line: do not issue flush packets in write_packetized_*() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 03/12] pkt-line: add PACKET_READ_GENTLE_ON_READ_ERROR option Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 04/12] pkt-line: add options argument to read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 05/12] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 06/12] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 07/12] unix-socket: eliminate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 08/12] unix-socket: add backlog size option to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 09/12] unix-socket: disallow chdir() when creating unix domain sockets Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 10/12] unix-stream-server: create unix domain socket under lock Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10  0:18           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 11/12] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10  0:08           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-15 19:56             ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 12/12] t0052: add simple-ipc tests and t/helper/test-simple-ipc tool Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 23:28         ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Simple IPC Mechanism Junio C Hamano
2021-03-15 21:08         ` [PATCH v6 " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 01/12] pkt-line: eliminate the need for static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 02/12] pkt-line: do not issue flush packets in write_packetized_*() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 03/12] pkt-line: add PACKET_READ_GENTLE_ON_READ_ERROR option Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 04/12] pkt-line: add options argument to read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 05/12] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 06/12] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 07/12] unix-socket: eliminate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 08/12] unix-socket: add backlog size option to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 09/12] unix-socket: disallow chdir() when creating unix domain sockets Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 10/12] unix-stream-server: create unix domain socket under lock Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 11/12] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 12/12] t0052: add simple-ipc tests and t/helper/test-simple-ipc tool Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29           ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Simple IPC Mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 01/12] pkt-line: eliminate the need for static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 02/12] pkt-line: do not issue flush packets in write_packetized_*() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 03/12] pkt-line: add PACKET_READ_GENTLE_ON_READ_ERROR option Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 04/12] pkt-line: add options argument to read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 05/12] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 06/12] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 07/12] unix-socket: eliminate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 08/12] unix-socket: add backlog size option to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 09/12] unix-socket: disallow chdir() when creating unix domain sockets Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 10/12] unix-stream-server: create unix domain socket under lock Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 11/12] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 12/12] t0052: add simple-ipc tests and t/helper/test-simple-ipc tool Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget

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