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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Linus Torvalds' <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Jakob <jakobkoschel@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	"Gustavo A. R. Silva" <gustavo@embeddedor.com>,
	Brian Johannesmeyer <bjohannesmeyer@gmail.com>,
	Cristiano Giuffrida <c.giuffrida@vu.nl>,
	"Bos, H.J." <h.j.bos@vu.nl>
Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH 03/13] usb: remove the usage of the list iterator after the loop
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:21:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <03f5e1f9ff89416d8b08906d4c776f00@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjtZG_0zjgVt0_0JDZgq=xO4LHYAbH764HTQJsjHTq-oQ@mail.gmail.com>

From: Linus Torvalds
> Sent: 23 February 2022 20:55
> 
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 12:43 PM Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > Of course, the C standard being the bunch of incompetents they are,
> > they in the process apparently made left-shifts undefined (rather than
> > implementation-defined). Christ, they keep on making the same mistakes
> > over and over. What was the definition of insanity again?
> 
> Hey, some more googling on my part seems to say that somebody saw the
> light, and it's likely getting fixed in newer C standard version.
> 
> So it was just a mistake, not actual malice. Maybe we can hope that
> the tide is turning against the "undefined" crowd that used to rule
> the roost in the C standards bodies. Maybe the fundamental security
> issues with undefined behavior finally convinced people how bad it
> was?

IIRC UB includes 'fire an ICBM at the writer of the standards document'.
There isn't an 'undefined value' or even 'undefined value or program trap'
option.

It also seems to me that the compiler people are picking on things
in the standard that are there to let 'obscure machines conform'
and then using them to break perfectly reasonable programs.

Signed arithmetic is not required to wrap so that cpu (eg DSP)
can do saturating maths - not so the compiler can remove some
conditionals.

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-23 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-17 18:48 [RFC PATCH 00/13] Proposal for speculative safe list iterator Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 01/13] list: introduce speculative safe list_for_each_entry() Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 19:29   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-02-18 16:29     ` Jann Horn
2022-02-18 16:29   ` Jann Horn
2022-02-23 14:32     ` Jakob
2022-02-19 19:44   ` Jann Horn
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 02/13] scripts: coccinelle: adapt to find list_for_each_entry nospec issues Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 03/13] usb: remove the usage of the list iterator after the loop Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 19:28   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-23 14:13     ` Jakob
2022-02-23 14:16       ` Jakob
2022-02-24 10:33         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-02-24 17:56           ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]         ` <6d191223d93249a98511177d4af08420@pexch012b.vu.local>
2022-02-24 10:46           ` Cristiano Giuffrida
2022-02-24 11:26             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-02-23 18:47       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-23 19:23         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-23 19:43           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-23 20:24           ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-23 20:43             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-23 20:48               ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-23 21:53                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-24 16:04                   ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-02-23 20:54               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-23 22:21                 ` David Laight [this message]
2022-02-25 21:36                 ` Uecker, Martin
2022-02-25 22:02                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-26  1:21                     ` Martin Uecker
2022-02-27 18:12                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-02-28  7:08                         ` Martin Uecker
2022-02-28 13:49                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-03-01 20:26                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-02  7:27                               ` Martin Uecker
2022-02-26 12:42           ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-02-26 22:14             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-26 23:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-27  1:19                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-02-27  1:09               ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-02-27  7:10                 ` David Laight
2022-02-27 11:32                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-02-27 18:09                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-02-27 20:17                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-02-27 21:04                         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28  6:15                           ` David Laight
2022-02-27 22:43                         ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-02-27 21:28                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-27 22:43                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 04/13] vfio/mdev: " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-18 15:12   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-23 14:18     ` Jakob
2022-02-23 19:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-23 19:12         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-23 19:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-23 20:15             ` Jakob
2022-02-23 20:22               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-23 22:08                 ` Jakob
2022-02-23 20:19             ` Rasmus Villemoes
2022-02-23 20:34               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 05/13] drivers/perf: " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 06/13] ARM: mmp: " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 07/13] udp_tunnel: " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-23 20:00   ` Christophe JAILLET
2022-02-24  6:20     ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 08/13] net: dsa: future proof usage of " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 09/13] drbd: " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 10/13] powerpc/spufs: " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 11/13] ath6kl: remove use " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 12/13] staging: greybus: audio: Remove usage " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-17 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 13/13] scsi: mpt3sas: comment about invalid usage of the list iterator Jakob Koschel

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