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From: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: parri.andrea@gmail.com, will@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
	j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr, dlustig@nvidia.com,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 00:16:31 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <045c643f-6a70-dfdf-2b1e-f369a667f709@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201003132212.GB318272@rowland.harvard.edu>

Hi Alan,

Just a minor nit in the litmus test.

On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 09:22:12 -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> To expand on my statement about the LKMM's weakness regarding control 
> constructs, here is a litmus test to illustrate the issue.  You might 
> want to add this to one of the archives.
> 
> Alan
> 
> C crypto-control-data
> (*
>  * LB plus crypto-control-data plus data
>  *
>  * Expected result: allowed
>  *
>  * This is an example of OOTA and we would like it to be forbidden.
>  * The WRITE_ONCE in P0 is both data-dependent and (at the hardware level)
>  * control-dependent on the preceding READ_ONCE.  But the dependencies are
>  * hidden by the form of the conditional control construct, hence the 
>  * name "crypto-control-data".  The memory model doesn't recognize them.
>  *)
> 
> {}
> 
> P0(int *x, int *y)
> {
> 	int r1;
> 
> 	r1 = 1;
> 	if (READ_ONCE(*x) == 0)
> 		r1 = 0;
> 	WRITE_ONCE(*y, r1);
> }
> 
> P1(int *x, int *y)
> {
> 	WRITE_ONCE(*x, READ_ONCE(*y));

Looks like this one-liner doesn't provide data-dependency of y -> x on herd7.

When I changed P1 to

P1(int *x, int *y)
{
	int r1;

	r1 = READ_ONCE(*y);
	WRITE_ONCE(*x, r1);
}

and replaced the WRITE_ONCE() in P0 with smp_store_release(),
I got the result of:

-----
Test crypto-control-data Allowed
States 1
0:r1=0;
No
Witnesses
Positive: 0 Negative: 3
Condition exists (0:r1=1)
Observation crypto-control-data Never 0 3
Time crypto-control-data 0.01
Hash=9b9aebbaf945dad8183d2be0ccb88e11
-----

Restoring the WRITE_ONCE() in P0, I got the result of:

-----
Test crypto-control-data Allowed
States 2
0:r1=0;
0:r1=1;
Ok
Witnesses
Positive: 1 Negative: 4
Condition exists (0:r1=1)
Observation crypto-control-data Sometimes 1 4
Time crypto-control-data 0.01
Hash=843eaa4974cec0efae79ce3cb73a1278
-----

As this is the same as the expected result, I suppose you have missed another
limitation of herd7 + LKMM.

By the way, I think this weakness on control dependency + data dependency
deserves an entry in tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt.

In the LIMITATIONS section, item #1 mentions some situation where
LKMM may not recognize possible losses of control-dependencies by
compiler optimizations.

What this litmus test demonstrates is a different class of mismatch.

Alan, can you come up with an update in this regard?

        Thanks, Akira

> }
> 
> exists (0:r1=1)
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-03 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-01  4:51 Litmus test for question from Al Viro Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-01 16:15 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-01 16:36   ` Al Viro
2020-10-01 18:39     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-01 19:29       ` Al Viro
2020-10-01 21:30   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03  2:01     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-03 13:22     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-03 15:16       ` Akira Yokosawa [this message]
2020-10-03 17:13         ` Bug in herd7 [Was: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro] Alan Stern
2020-10-03 22:50           ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-10-04  1:40           ` [PATCH] tools: memory-model: Document that the LKMM can easily miss control dependencies Alan Stern
2020-10-04 21:07             ` joel
2020-10-04 23:12               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 15:15           ` Bug in herd7 [Was: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro] Luc Maranget
2020-10-05 15:53             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 16:52               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 18:19                 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 19:18                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 19:48                     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-06 16:39                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-06 17:05                         ` Alan Stern
2020-10-07 17:50                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-07 19:40                             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-07 22:38                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-08  2:25                                 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-08  2:50                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-08 14:01                                     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-08 18:32                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 15:54             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-04 23:31       ` Litmus test for question from Al Viro Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05  2:38         ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05  8:20           ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05  9:12             ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05 14:01               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:23               ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 15:13                 ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05 15:16                   ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 15:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-05 15:49                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:16             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 14:03           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:24             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 14:44             ` joel
2020-10-05 15:55               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05  8:36         ` David Laight
2020-10-05 13:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03 16:08     ` joel
2020-10-03 16:11       ` joel
2020-10-04 23:13         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03  2:35   ` Jon Masters
2020-10-04 23:32     ` Paul E. McKenney

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