From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 21:24:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0ab1a811-4040-2657-7b48-b39ada300749@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgru1UAm3kAKSOdnbewPXQMOxYkq9PnAsRadAC6pXCCMQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 12.08.21 20:10, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 7:48 AM Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>>
>> Given that MAP_PRIVATE for shared libraries is our strategy for handling
>> writes to shared libraries perhaps we just need to use MAP_POPULATE or a
>> new related flag (perhaps MAP_PRIVATE_NOW)
>
> No. That would be horrible for the usual bloated GUI libraries. It
> might help some (dynamic page faults are not cheap either), but it
> would hurt a lot.
Right, we most certainly don't want to waste system ram / swap space,
memory for page tables, and degrade performance just because some
corner-case nasty user space could harm itself.
>
> This is definitely a "if you overwrite a system library while it's
> being used, you get to keep both pieces" situation.
Right, play stupid games, win stupid prices. I agree that if there would
be an efficient way to detect+handle such overwrites gracefully, it
would be great to have the kernel support that. ETXTBUSY as implemented
with this series (but also before this series) is really only a
minimalistic approach to help detect some issues regarding the main
executable.
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-12 19:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-08-12 8:43 [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 1/7] binfmt: don't use MAP_DENYWRITE when loading shared libraries via uselib() David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 2/7] kernel/fork: factor out atomcially replacing the current MM exe_file David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 9:17 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 3/7] kernel/fork: always deny write access to " David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 10:05 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 10:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 12:32 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 12:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-12 19:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 4/7] binfmt: remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 5/7] mm: remove VM_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 6/7] mm: ignore MAP_DENYWRITE in ksys_mmap_pgoff() David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 7/7] fs: update documentation of get_write_access() and friends David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE Florian Weimer
2021-08-12 12:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 16:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 17:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 17:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-12 17:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 18:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-12 18:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-12 18:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-13 9:05 ` David Laight
2021-08-13 20:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-13 20:51 ` Florian Weimer
2021-08-14 0:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14 0:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-14 0:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14 0:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14 1:57 ` Al Viro
2021-08-14 2:02 ` Al Viro
2021-08-14 9:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-14 7:53 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-14 19:52 ` David Laight
2021-08-26 17:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-26 21:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-26 22:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-27 8:22 ` David Laight
2021-08-27 15:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-09-01 8:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-27 10:18 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-14 3:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-17 16:48 ` Removing Mandatory Locks Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-17 16:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-18 9:34 ` Rodrigo Campos
2021-08-19 19:18 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 20:03 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-19 18:39 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 19:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-19 19:55 ` Eric Biggers
2021-08-19 20:18 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-19 21:43 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 22:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-20 8:30 ` David Laight
2021-08-23 7:55 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-08-23 8:14 ` David Laight
2021-08-20 13:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-08-20 16:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-20 2:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-20 6:36 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-20 7:14 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-20 12:27 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-20 12:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-20 13:03 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-20 13:11 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-20 16:30 ` Kees Cook
2021-08-20 19:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2021-08-20 21:29 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-20 21:29 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-21 12:45 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-21 12:45 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-23 22:15 ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-20 22:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-18 7:51 ` [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE Christian Brauner
2021-08-18 15:42 ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-19 13:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-19 14:33 ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-20 12:54 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-20 3:44 ` NeilBrown
2021-08-20 8:25 ` David Laight
2021-08-12 19:24 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2021-08-12 18:15 ` Florian Weimer
2021-08-12 18:21 ` Linus Torvalds
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