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* [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 0/3] Allow get_maintainer.pl / add_maintainers.pl scripts to be called outside of xen.git
@ 2019-09-04 11:30 Lars Kurth
  2019-09-04 11:30 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 1/3] Remove hardcoding from scripts/add_maintainers.pl Lars Kurth
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Lars Kurth @ 2019-09-04 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: xen-devel
  Cc: Lars Kurth, Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Julien Grall, Jan Beulich

Use-case: Allow using both scripts on xen repositories such as
mini-os.git, osstest.git,

Assumptions: the repository contains a MAINTAINERS file that
follows the same conventions as the file in xen.git

A suggested template for sister repositories of Xen

========================================================
This file follows the same conventions as outlined in
xen.git:MAINTAINERS. Please refer to the file in xen.git
for more information.

THE REST
M:	MAINTAINER1 <maintainer1@email.com>
M:	MAINTAINER2 <maintainer2@email.com>
L:	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
S:	Supported
F:	*
F:	*/
V:	xen-maintainers-1
========================================================

Changes in v2:
* Remove debug message

Changes in v3:
* Split patch
* add_maintainers.pl: do not issue a warning
* add_maintainers.pl: introduce processing logic for V: tag
* MAINTAINERS: Add V: tag to file

Changes in v4:
* Removed tabs and fixed typo
* Removed unused variable

Lars Kurth (3):
  Remove hardcoding from scripts/add_maintainers.pl
  Add V section entry to allow identification of Xen MAINTAINERS file
  Add logic to use V section entry in THE REST for identifying xen trees

 MAINTAINERS                |  4 +++-
 scripts/add_maintainers.pl |  4 +--
 scripts/get_maintainer.pl  | 57 +++++++++++++++++++++++----------------
 3 files changed, 41 insertions(+), 24 deletions(-)

base-commit: 6c9639a72f0ca3a9430ef75f375877182281fdef
-- 
git-series 0.9.1

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* [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 1/3] Remove hardcoding from scripts/add_maintainers.pl
  2019-09-04 11:30 [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 0/3] Allow get_maintainer.pl / add_maintainers.pl scripts to be called outside of xen.git Lars Kurth
@ 2019-09-04 11:30 ` Lars Kurth
  2019-09-10 15:17   ` Julien Grall
  2019-09-04 11:30 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] Add V section entry to allow identification of Xen MAINTAINERS file Lars Kurth
  2019-09-04 11:30 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 3/3] Add logic to use V section entry in THE REST for identifying xen trees Lars Kurth
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Lars Kurth @ 2019-09-04 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: xen-devel
  Cc: Lars Kurth, Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Julien Grall, Jan Beulich

Instead of using a hardcoded location, inherit the
location from $0

Signed-off-by: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>
---
 scripts/add_maintainers.pl | 4 ++--
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/scripts/add_maintainers.pl b/scripts/add_maintainers.pl
index 09e9f66..5a6d0f6 100755
--- a/scripts/add_maintainers.pl
+++ b/scripts/add_maintainers.pl
@@ -26,9 +26,9 @@ sub insert ($$$$);
 sub hastag ($$);
 
 # Tool Variables
-my $get_maintainer      = "./scripts/get_maintainer.pl";
-
 my $tool = $0;
+my $get_maintainer = $tool;
+$get_maintainer =~ s/add_maintainers/get_maintainer/;
 my $usage = <<EOT;
 OPTIONS:
 --------
-- 
git-series 0.9.1

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* [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] Add V section entry to allow identification of Xen MAINTAINERS file
  2019-09-04 11:30 [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 0/3] Allow get_maintainer.pl / add_maintainers.pl scripts to be called outside of xen.git Lars Kurth
  2019-09-04 11:30 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 1/3] Remove hardcoding from scripts/add_maintainers.pl Lars Kurth
@ 2019-09-04 11:30 ` Lars Kurth
  2019-09-10 15:18   ` Julien Grall
  2019-09-04 11:30 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 3/3] Add logic to use V section entry in THE REST for identifying xen trees Lars Kurth
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Lars Kurth @ 2019-09-04 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: xen-devel
  Cc: Lars Kurth, Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Julien Grall, Jan Beulich

This change provides sufficient information to allow get_maintainer.pl /
add_maintainers.pl scripts to be run on xen sister repositories such as
mini-os.git, osstest.git, etc

A suggested template for sister repositories of Xen is

========================================================
This file follows the same conventions as outlined in
xen.git:MAINTAINERS. Please refer to the file in xen.git
for more information.

THE REST
M:      MAINTAINER1 <maintainer1@email.com>
M:      MAINTAINER2 <maintainer2@email.com>
L:      xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
S:      Supported
F:      *
F:      */
V:      xen-maintainers-1
========================================================

Signed-off-by: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>
Acked-by: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
---
 MAINTAINERS | 4 ++++
 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)

diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
index 77413e0..bb3da43 100644
--- a/MAINTAINERS
+++ b/MAINTAINERS
@@ -97,6 +97,9 @@ Descriptions of section entries:
 	      matches patches or files that contain one or more of the words
 	      printk, pr_info or pr_err
 	   One regex pattern per line.  Multiple K: lines acceptable.
+	V: Version identifier that must be under THE REST and follows
+	   the format:
+	   xen-maintainers-<version format number of this file>
 
 
 The meaning of nesting:
@@ -541,3 +544,4 @@ L:	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
 S:	Supported
 F:	*
 F:	*/
+V:	xen-maintainers-1
-- 
git-series 0.9.1

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* [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 3/3] Add logic to use V section entry in THE REST for identifying xen trees
  2019-09-04 11:30 [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 0/3] Allow get_maintainer.pl / add_maintainers.pl scripts to be called outside of xen.git Lars Kurth
  2019-09-04 11:30 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 1/3] Remove hardcoding from scripts/add_maintainers.pl Lars Kurth
  2019-09-04 11:30 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] Add V section entry to allow identification of Xen MAINTAINERS file Lars Kurth
@ 2019-09-04 11:30 ` Lars Kurth
  2019-09-11 15:41   ` Ian Jackson
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Lars Kurth @ 2019-09-04 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: xen-devel
  Cc: Lars Kurth, Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Julien Grall, Jan Beulich

Specifically:
* Move check until after the MAINTAINERS file has been read
* Add get_xen_maintainers_file_version() for check
* Remove top_of_tree as not needed any more
* Fail with extended error message when used out of tree

Signed-off-by: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>
---
 scripts/get_maintainer.pl | 57 ++++++++++++++++++++++++----------------
 1 file changed, 35 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)

diff --git a/scripts/get_maintainer.pl b/scripts/get_maintainer.pl
index 174dfb7..2e661f4 100755
--- a/scripts/get_maintainer.pl
+++ b/scripts/get_maintainer.pl
@@ -265,11 +265,6 @@ if ($email &&
     die "$P: Please select at least 1 email option\n";
 }
 
-if (!top_of_tree($xen_path)) {
-    die "$P: The current directory does not appear to be "
-	. "a Xen source tree.\n";
-}
-
 ## Read MAINTAINERS for type/value pairs
 
 my @typevalue = ();
@@ -311,6 +306,16 @@ while (<$maint>) {
 }
 close($maint);
 
+# Check whether we have a V entry under the REST
+# and use it to get the file's version number
+my $maintainers_file_version = get_xen_maintainers_file_version();
+if (!$maintainers_file_version) {
+    die "$P: the MAINTAINERS file ".
+         "in the current directory does not appear to be from ".
+         "the xen.git source tree or a sister tree.\n\n".
+         "A 'V: xen-maintainers-<version>' entry under THE REST ".
+         "is needed to identify a Xen MAINTAINERS file.\n\n";
+}
 
 #
 # Read mail address map
@@ -564,6 +569,31 @@ sub range_has_maintainer {
     return 0;
 }
 
+sub get_xen_maintainers_file_version {
+    my $tvi = find_first_section();
+
+    while ($tvi < @typevalue) {
+        my $start = find_starting_index($tvi);
+        my $end = find_ending_index($tvi);
+        my $i;
+
+        for ($i = $start; $i < $end; $i++) {
+            my $line = $typevalue[$i];
+            if ($line =~ m/^V:\s*(.*)/) {
+                # Note that get_maintainer_role() requires processing
+                # of more of the file. So do it directly
+                if ($typevalue[$start] eq "THE REST") {
+                    if ($line =~ m/xen-maintainers-(.*)/) {
+                        return $1;
+                    }
+                }
+	    }
+        }
+        $tvi = $end + 1;
+    }
+    return 0;
+}
+
 sub get_maintainers {
     %email_hash_name = ();
     %email_hash_address = ();
@@ -867,23 +897,6 @@ Notes:
 EOT
 }
 
-sub top_of_tree {
-    my ($xen_path) = @_;
-
-    if ($xen_path ne "" && substr($xen_path,length($xen_path)-1,1) ne "/") {
-	$xen_path .= "/";
-    }
-    if (    (-f "${xen_path}COPYING")
-        && (-f "${xen_path}MAINTAINERS")
-        && (-f "${xen_path}Makefile")
-        && (-d "${xen_path}docs")
-        && (-f "${xen_path}CODING_STYLE")
-        && (-d "${xen_path}xen")) {
-	return 1;
-    }
-    return 0;
-}
-
 sub parse_email {
     my ($formatted_email) = @_;
 
-- 
git-series 0.9.1

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 1/3] Remove hardcoding from scripts/add_maintainers.pl
  2019-09-04 11:30 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 1/3] Remove hardcoding from scripts/add_maintainers.pl Lars Kurth
@ 2019-09-10 15:17   ` Julien Grall
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Julien Grall @ 2019-09-10 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Kurth, xen-devel
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Jan Beulich

Hi Lars,

On 9/4/19 12:30 PM, Lars Kurth wrote:
> Instead of using a hardcoded location, inherit the
> location from $0
> 
> Signed-off-by: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>

Acked-by: Julien Grall <julien.grall@arm.com>

Cheers,

-- 
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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] Add V section entry to allow identification of Xen MAINTAINERS file
  2019-09-04 11:30 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] Add V section entry to allow identification of Xen MAINTAINERS file Lars Kurth
@ 2019-09-10 15:18   ` Julien Grall
  2019-09-10 15:31     ` Julien Grall
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Julien Grall @ 2019-09-10 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Kurth, xen-devel
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Jan Beulich

Hi Lars,

On 9/4/19 12:30 PM, Lars Kurth wrote:
> This change provides sufficient information to allow get_maintainer.pl /
> add_maintainers.pl scripts to be run on xen sister repositories such as
> mini-os.git, osstest.git, etc
> 
> A suggested template for sister repositories of Xen is
> 
> ========================================================
> This file follows the same conventions as outlined in
> xen.git:MAINTAINERS. Please refer to the file in xen.git
> for more information.
> 
> THE REST
> M:      MAINTAINER1 <maintainer1@email.com>
> M:      MAINTAINER2 <maintainer2@email.com>
> L:      xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
> S:      Supported
> F:      *
> F:      */
> V:      xen-maintainers-1
> ========================================================
> 
> Signed-off-by: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>
> Acked-by: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>

Acked-by: Julien Grall <julien.grall@arm.com>

Cheers,

-- 
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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] Add V section entry to allow identification of Xen MAINTAINERS file
  2019-09-10 15:18   ` Julien Grall
@ 2019-09-10 15:31     ` Julien Grall
  2019-09-10 15:35       ` Lars Kurth
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Julien Grall @ 2019-09-10 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Kurth, xen-devel
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Jan Beulich

Hi,

Actually, I have one question about the template (my ack still stands).

On 9/10/19 4:18 PM, Julien Grall wrote:
> Hi Lars,
> 
> On 9/4/19 12:30 PM, Lars Kurth wrote:
>> This change provides sufficient information to allow get_maintainer.pl /
>> add_maintainers.pl scripts to be run on xen sister repositories such as
>> mini-os.git, osstest.git, etc
>>
>> A suggested template for sister repositories of Xen is
>>
>> ========================================================
>> This file follows the same conventions as outlined in
>> xen.git:MAINTAINERS. Please refer to the file in xen.git
>> for more information.
>>
>> THE REST
>> M:      MAINTAINER1 <maintainer1@email.com>
>> M:      MAINTAINER2 <maintainer2@email.com>
>> L:      xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org

I was under the impression that the scripts would be used for Unikraft. 
If so, do we expect them to CC xen-devel everytime?

If the answer is no, then we will probably want to add_maintainers.pl.

Cheers,

-- 
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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] Add V section entry to allow identification of Xen MAINTAINERS file
  2019-09-10 15:31     ` Julien Grall
@ 2019-09-10 15:35       ` Lars Kurth
  2019-09-10 16:01         ` Julien Grall
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Lars Kurth @ 2019-09-10 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Julien Grall, xen-devel
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	Andrew Cooper, Tim (Xen.org),
	George Dunlap, Jan Beulich, Ian Jackson


On 10/09/2019, 16:31, "Julien Grall" <julien.grall@arm.com> wrote:

    Hi,
    
    Actually, I have one question about the template (my ack still stands).
    
    On 9/10/19 4:18 PM, Julien Grall wrote:
    > Hi Lars,
    > 
    > On 9/4/19 12:30 PM, Lars Kurth wrote:
    >> This change provides sufficient information to allow get_maintainer.pl /
    >> add_maintainers.pl scripts to be run on xen sister repositories such as
    >> mini-os.git, osstest.git, etc
    >>
    >> A suggested template for sister repositories of Xen is
    >>
    >> ========================================================
    >> This file follows the same conventions as outlined in
    >> xen.git:MAINTAINERS. Please refer to the file in xen.git
    >> for more information.
    >>
    >> THE REST
    >> M:      MAINTAINER1 <maintainer1@email.com>
    >> M:      MAINTAINER2 <maintainer2@email.com>
    >> L:      xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
    
    I was under the impression that the scripts would be used for Unikraft. 
    If so, do we expect them to CC xen-devel everytime?

In that case, the template has to be adapted. I was mainly thinking of 
XTF, OSSTEST, livepatch-build-tools. If it were used say for minios
(which I think it should)  the L: field would obviously need changing
 
Once this series is through, I will submit maintainer files for all those
projects making sure that they have the right L: field.

    If the answer is no, then we will probably want to add_maintainers.pl.
    
I basically dropped the original patch for Unikraft as nobody has responded.
I was not planning to pick this up, unless someone from Unikraft runs with it 

Regards
Lars

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] Add V section entry to allow identification of Xen MAINTAINERS file
  2019-09-10 15:35       ` Lars Kurth
@ 2019-09-10 16:01         ` Julien Grall
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Julien Grall @ 2019-09-10 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Kurth, xen-devel
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	Andrew Cooper, Tim (Xen.org),
	George Dunlap, Jan Beulich, Ian Jackson

Hi Lars,

On 9/10/19 4:35 PM, Lars Kurth wrote:
> 
> On 10/09/2019, 16:31, "Julien Grall" <julien.grall@arm.com> wrote:
> 
>      Hi,
>      
>      Actually, I have one question about the template (my ack still stands).
>      
>      On 9/10/19 4:18 PM, Julien Grall wrote:
>      > Hi Lars,
>      >
>      > On 9/4/19 12:30 PM, Lars Kurth wrote:
>      >> This change provides sufficient information to allow get_maintainer.pl /
>      >> add_maintainers.pl scripts to be run on xen sister repositories such as
>      >> mini-os.git, osstest.git, etc
>      >>
>      >> A suggested template for sister repositories of Xen is
>      >>
>      >> ========================================================
>      >> This file follows the same conventions as outlined in
>      >> xen.git:MAINTAINERS. Please refer to the file in xen.git
>      >> for more information.
>      >>
>      >> THE REST
>      >> M:      MAINTAINER1 <maintainer1@email.com>
>      >> M:      MAINTAINER2 <maintainer2@email.com>
>      >> L:      xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
>      
>      I was under the impression that the scripts would be used for Unikraft.
>      If so, do we expect them to CC xen-devel everytime?
> 
> In that case, the template has to be adapted. I was mainly thinking of
> XTF, OSSTEST, livepatch-build-tools. If it were used say for minios
> (which I think it should)  the L: field would obviously need changing
>   
> Once this series is through, I will submit maintainer files for all those
> projects making sure that they have the right L: field.
> 
>      If the answer is no, then we will probably want to add_maintainers.pl.
>      
> I basically dropped the original patch for Unikraft as nobody has responded.
> I was not planning to pick this up, unless someone from Unikraft runs with it

It makes sense. Thank you for the explanation!

Cheers,

-- 
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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 3/3] Add logic to use V section entry in THE REST for identifying xen trees
  2019-09-04 11:30 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 3/3] Add logic to use V section entry in THE REST for identifying xen trees Lars Kurth
@ 2019-09-11 15:41   ` Ian Jackson
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Ian Jackson @ 2019-09-11 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Kurth
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Tim Deegan, Julien Grall,
	Jan Beulich, xen-devel

Lars Kurth writes ("[Xen-devel] [PATCH v4 3/3] Add logic to use V section entry in THE REST for identifying xen trees"):
> Specifically:
> * Move check until after the MAINTAINERS file has been read
> * Add get_xen_maintainers_file_version() for check
> * Remove top_of_tree as not needed any more
> * Fail with extended error message when used out of tree
> 
> Signed-off-by: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>

Acked-by: Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>


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