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On 7/30/2021 10:36 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 05:51:07PM +0300, Max Gurtovoy wrote:
>> On 7/28/2021 3:48 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 07:52:53PM +0300, Max Gurtovoy wrote:
>>>> Admin virtqueues will be used to send administrative commands to
>>>> manipulate various features of the device which would not easily map
>>>> into the configuration space.
>>>>
>>>> The same Admin command format will be used for all virtio devices. The
>>>> Admin command set will include 4 types of command classes:
>>>> 1. The generic common class
>>>> 2. The transport specific class
>>>> 3. The device specific class
>>>> 4. The vendor specific class
>>>>
>>>> The above mechanism will enable adding various features to the virtio
>>>> specification, e.g.:
>>>> 1. Format virtio-blk devices in various configurations (512B block siz=
e,
>>>>      512B + 8B T10-DIF, 4K block size, 4k + 8B T10-DIF, etc..).
>>>> 2. Live migration management.
>>>> 3. Encrypt/Decrypt descriptors.
>>>> 4. Virtualization management.
>>>> 5. Get device error logs.
>>>> 6. Implement advanced vendor/device/transport specific features.
>>>> 7. Run device health test.
>>>> 8. More.
>>>>
>>>> As virtio evolves beyond the para-virt/sw-emulated world, it's mandato=
ry
>>>> for the specification to become flexible and allow a wider feature set=
.
>>>> The corrent ctrl virtq that is defined for some of the virtio devices =
is
>>>> device specific and wasn't designed to be a generic virtq for
>>>> admininistration.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
>>> Lots of things on this list seem to make sense when
>>> done from PF and affecting a VF.
>>> I think from this POV the generic structure should include
>>> a way to address one device from another.
>> This will be defined per command.
>>
>> For example, funcion_id will be given as command data.
> Why? Sounds like a generic thing to me.

Generic to a command that handles virtualization management.

It has nothing to do with a discovery command for the device itself.

I guess we can add few bytes to be mandatory after the <u8 class, u8=20
command> pair.

Something like <u8 class, u8 command, u16 mandatory_command_data >.

But I think it's not a must and it's already covered by:=C2=A0 "u8=20
command-specific-data[];"


>
>
>>>> ---
>>>>    admin-virtq.tex | 241 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
+++
>>>>    content.tex     |   4 +
>>>>    2 files changed, 245 insertions(+)
>>>>    create mode 100644 admin-virtq.tex
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/admin-virtq.tex b/admin-virtq.tex
>>>> new file mode 100644
>>>> index 0000000..ccec2ca
>>>> --- /dev/null
>>>> +++ b/admin-virtq.tex
>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,241 @@
>>>> +\section{Admin Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Dev=
ice / Admin Virtqueues}
>>>> +
>>>> +Admin virtqueues are used to send administrative commands to manipula=
te
>>>> +various features of the device which would not easily map into the
>>>> +configuration space.
>>>> +
>>>> +Use of Admin virtqueues is negotiated by the VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ
>>>> +feature bit.
>>>> +
>>>> +Admin virtqueue index may vary among different device types.
>>>> +
>>>> +All commands are of the following form:
>>>> +
>>>> +\begin{lstlisting}
>>>> +struct virtio_admin_cmd {
>>>> +        /* Device-readable part */
>>>> +        u8 class;
>>>> +        u8 command;
>>>> +        u8 command-specific-data[];
>>>> +
>>>> +        /* Device-writable part */
>>>> +        u8 command-specific-result[];
>>>> +        u8 status_type : 4;
>>>> +        u8 reserved : 4;
>>>> +        u8 status;
>>>> +};
>>>> +
>>>> +/* Status type values */
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_GENERIC               0
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_CLASS_SPECIFIC        1
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_COMMAND_SPECIFIC      2
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_TRANSPORT_SPECIFIC    3
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_DEVICE_SPECIFIC       4
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_VENDOR_SPECIFIC       5
>>>> +
>>>> +/* Generic status values */
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_OK                     0
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_ERR                    1
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_INVALID_CLASS          2
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_INVALID_COMMAND        3
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_DATA_TRANSFER_ERR      4
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_DEVICE_INTERNAL_ERR    5
>>>> +\end{lstlisting}
>>>> +
>>>> +The \field{class}, \field{command} and \field{command-specific-data} =
are
>>>> +set by the driver, and the device sets the \field{status_type}, the
>>>> +\field{status} and  the \field{command-specific-result}, if needed.
>>>> +
>>>> +The virtio Admin command class codes are divided in the following for=
m:
>>>> +
>>>> +\begin{lstlisting}
>>>> +/* class values that are transport, device and vendor independent */
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_COMMON_CLASS_START    0
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_COMMON_CLASS_END      63
>>>> +
>>>> +/* class values that are transport specific */
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_TRANSPORT_CLASS_START  64
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_TRANSPORT_CLASS_END    127
>>>> +
>>>> +/* class values that are device specific */
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_DEVICE_CLASS_START     128
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_DEVICE_CLASS_END       191
>>>> +
>>>> +/* class values that are vendor specific */
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_VENDOR_CLASS_START     192
>>>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_VENDOR_CLASS_END       255
>>>> +\end{lstlisting}
>>>> +
>>>> +\subsection{Admin command set}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio=
 Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set}
>>>> +
>>>> +Each virtio device that advertise VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ feature, MUST
>>>> +support all the mandatory admin commands. A device MAY support also
>>>> +one or more optional admin commands.
>>>> +
>>>> +\subsubsection{Common command set}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Vi=
rtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Common command set}
>>>> +
>>>> +The Common command set is a group of classes and commands within each
>>>> +of these classes which are transport, device and vendor independent.
>>>> +A mandatory class is a class that has at least one mandatory command.
>>>> +The Common command set is summarized in following table:
>>>> +
>>>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +Class  & Description    & M/O \\
>>>> +\hline \hline
>>>> +0  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_DISCOVER_DEVICE    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +1  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_DISCOVER_DEVICE_CLASS_COMMANDS    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +2-63  & reserved    & - \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +\end{tabular}
>>>> +
>>>> +\paragraph{Discover device class}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Vir=
tio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Common command set / Di=
scover device class}
>>>> +
>>>> +This class (opcode: 0) of commands is used to query generic device
>>>> +information. The following table describes the commands supported for
>>>> +this class:
>>>> +
>>>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +Command  & Description    & M/O \\
>>>> +\hline \hline
>>>> +0  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_DISCOVER_DEVICE_IDENTITY    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +1  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_DISCOVER_DEVICE_SUPPORTED_CLASSES    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +2-255  & reserved    & - \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +\end{tabular}
>>> So there are several problems with this approach.
>>> One is that there is no two way negotiation.
>> you negotiate the adminq feature.
>>
>> then you can send admin commands and discover the supported commands.
>>
>>> No way for device to know what will driver use in the end.
>> device will be designed to support mandatory admin commands and some
>> optional.
>>
>> It doesn't need to care whether the driver will use it or not.
>>> This breaks things like e.g. accelerating some configurations
>>> but not others.
>> I don't understand what it breaks exactly.
> Long practice taught us that it is good for device to know
> what is driver going to use.
> For example, some features can be implemented in hardware
> and some in hypervisor software. If driver is going to use software
> features then you need to switch to a slower software
> implementation. Doing that dynamically at time of use is
> often much harder that up-front at negotiation time.

I don't think we should write specifications that should consider=20
hypervisor SW.

You might use virtio device without hypervisor at all.


>
>>> Another is that everything is going through the admin vq.
>>> Hard for hypervisor to intervene and change just some aspects
>>> of the device.
>> we'll develop virtio-cli tool.
> will that be part of the spec somehow then?
> I'm not sure it can be ...

of course not.

This is just a channel for the admin to send admin command to the virtio=20
device.

>
>> I don't know what should be changed in the device by the hypervisor.
> Look at vdpa as an example, guest device can be different from
> host device.

VDPA is an acceleration. I can write different acceleration on to of=20
virtio device.

Is shouldn't be considered in the specification.

Nevertheless, there is nothing in this RFC that VDPA can't handle.


>
>>> This is also a problem for validation, tricky
>>> to find out during probe what does device support and whether
>>> driver can work with it.
>> device will support admin q with mandatory commands.
>>
>> Old driver shouldn't care and it won't negotiate this feature.
>>
>> New drivers will adjust and will be extended.
> Does not sound like I got the issue across.
>
> Operating VQs just to know whether to bind to device is
> problematic since there's an assumption that once
> DRIVER_OK is set driver is happy. Before DRIVER_OK
> device will not consume buffers.

Nothing is changed in DRIVER_OK negotiation rules.

>
>
>>>
>>> Can't we map this stuff into memory instead?
>>> Maybe have an admin config structure
>>> that is separate from regular config?
>>> Only issue we can't then make it too big.
>>> But so far I don't see a lot of info used, most is reserved.
>> This is initial commit to add infrastructure. I can't add 255 commands a=
t
>> once.
>>
>> We need to add it incrementally.
> How about a list of future extensions?

Added a partial list in the commit message and in the answer to Cornelia.


>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> +
>>>> +\subparagraph{Device identity command}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of =
a Virtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Common command set=
 / Discover device class / Device identity command}
>>>> +
>>>> +This mandatory command should return device identity in the following
>>>> +structure:
>>>> +
>>>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +Bytes  & Description    & M/O \\
>>>> +\hline \hline
>>>> +03:00  & VIRTIO DEVICE ID    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +05:04  & VIRTIO TRANSPORT ID    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +4095:06  & reserved    & - \\
>>>> + \hline
>>>> +\end{tabular}
>>>> +
>>>> +\subparagraph{Device supported classes command}\label{sec:Basic Facil=
ities of a Virtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Common co=
mmand set / Discover device class / Device supported classes command}
>>>> +
>>>> +This mandatory command should return device identity in the following
>>>> +structure:
>>>> +
>>>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +Bytes  & Description    & M/O \\
>>>> +\hline \hline
>>>> +03:00  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CLASS_0_PROPERTIES    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +07:04  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CLASS_1_PROPERTIES    & M \\
>>>> + \hline
>>>> +11:08  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CLASS_2_PROPERTIES    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +...  & ...    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +1023:1020  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CLASS_255_PROPERTIES    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +4095:1024  & reserved    & - \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +\end{tabular}
>>>> +
>>>> +The above structure is divided to 256 sections of 4B each, that will
>>>> +describe whether a device supports a certain class code. The
>>>> +following 3072B are reserved. each of the non-reserved 4B sections wi=
ll
>>>> +follow the following data structure:
>>>> +
>>>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +Bits  & Description    & M/O \\
>>>> +\hline \hline
>>>> +0  & SUPPORTED (1: yes, 0:no)    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +31:01  & reserved    & - \\
>>>> + \hline
>>>> +\end{tabular}
>>>> +
>>>> +\paragraph{Discover device class commands class}\label{sec:Basic Faci=
lities of a Virtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Common c=
ommand set / Discover device class commands class}
>>>> +
>>>> +This class (opcode: 1) of commands is used to query supported command=
s
>>>> +for each supported device class.
>>>> The following table describes the commands
>>>> +supported for this class:
>>>> +
>>>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +Command  & Description    & M/O \\
>>>> +\hline \hline
>>>> +0  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CLASS_0_COMMANDS_IDENTITY    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +1  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CLASS_1_COMMANDS_IDENTITY    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +2  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CLASS_2_COMMANDS_IDENTITY    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +...  & ...    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +255  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CLASS_255_COMMANDS_IDENTITY    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +\end{tabular}
>>>> +
>>>> +Each command in this class, will return class identity in the followi=
ng structure:
>>>> +
>>>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +Bytes  & Description    & M/O \\
>>>> +\hline \hline
>>>> +03:00  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_COMMAND_0_PROPERTIES    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +07:04  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_COMMAND_1_PROPERTIES    & M \\
>>>> + \hline
>>>> +11:08  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_COMMAND_2_PROPERTIES    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +...  & ...    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +1023:1020  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_COMMAND_255_PROPERTIES    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +4095:1024  & reserved    & - \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +\end{tabular}
>>>> +
>>>> +The above structure is divided to 256 sections of 4B each, that will
>>>> +describe whether a class supports a certain command code. The
>>>> +following 3072B are reserved. each of the non-reserved 4B sections wi=
ll
>>>> +follow the following data structure:
>>>> +
>>>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +Bits  & Description    & M/O \\
>>>> +\hline \hline
>>>> +0  & SUPPORTED (1: yes, 0:no)    & M \\
>>>> +\hline
>>>> +31:01  & reserved    & - \\
>>>> + \hline
>>>> +\end{tabular}
>>>> +
>>>> +\subsubsection{Transport command set}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a=
 Virtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Transport command s=
et}
>>>> +
>>>> +The Transport command set is a group of classes and commands within
>>>> +each of these classes which are transport specific. Refer to each
>>>> +transport section for more information on the supported commands.
>>>> +
>>>> +\subsubsection{Device command set}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Vi=
rtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Device command set}
>>>> +
>>>> +The Device command set is a group of classes and commands within
>>>> +each of these classes which are device specific. Refer to each
>>>> +device section for more information on the supported commands.
>>>> +
>>>> +\subsubsection{Vendor specific command set}\label{sec:Basic Facilitie=
s of a Virtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Vendor specif=
ic command set}
>>>> +
>>>> +The Vendor specific command set is a group of classes and commands
>>>> +within each of these classes which are vendor specific. Refer to
>>>> +each vendor specification for more information on the supported
>>>> +commands.
>>> Here's another example.
>>> It's important that there is a way to make a device completely
>>> generic without vendor specific expensions.
>>> Would be hard to do here.
>>>
>>> That's a generic comment.
>>>
>>> but specifically I am very reluctant to add vendor specific stuff like
>>> this directly in the spec. We already have VIRTIO_PCI_CAP_VENDOR_CFG
>>> and if that is not sufficient I would like to know why
>>> before we add more vendor specific stuff.
>> We are adding an option to add vendor specific commands. We're not addin=
g it
>> to the spec since each vendor will have its own manual for that.
> You didn't actually answer the question though.
>
>> For example, we can use virtio-cli to pass command from command line to
>> device in pass-through manner without changing driver.
>>
> Opaque strings passed all the way from guest userspace to host device?
> Not sure why is that a good idea.

Where did I mentioned a guest ?

Virtio-cli will control a device on the same host that it runs.

If it's a bare metal host so it will manage the virtio attached device.

If it's a guest it will manage the device attached to the guest.

>
>>>
>>>> diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
>>>> index c266fd5..d350175 100644
>>>> --- a/content.tex
>>>> +++ b/content.tex
>>>> @@ -407,6 +407,8 @@ \section{Exporting Objects}\label{sec:Basic Facili=
ties of a Virtio Device / Expo
>>>>    types. It is RECOMMENDED that devices generate version 4
>>>>    UUIDs as specified by \hyperref[intro:rfc4122]{[RFC4122]}.
>>>> +\input{admin-virtq.tex}
>>>> +
>>>>    \chapter{General Initialization And Device Operation}\label{sec:Gen=
eral Initialization And Device Operation}
>>>>    We start with an overview of device initialization, then expand on =
the
>>>> @@ -6671,6 +6673,8 @@ \chapter{Reserved Feature Bits}\label{sec:Reserv=
ed Feature Bits}
>>>>      data to be provided in driver notification and the delivery metho=
d is
>>>>      transport specific.
>>>>      For more details about driver notifications over PCI see \ref{sec=
:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI-specific Initializati=
on And Device Operation / Available Buffer Notifications}.
>>>> +  \item[VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ(40)] This feature indicates that
>>>> +  the device supports administration virtqueue negotiation.
>>>>    \end{description}
>>>> --=20
>>>> 2.21.0