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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Alasdair G Kergon <agk@redhat.com>,
	"shli@kernel.org" <shli@kernel.org>,
	"philipp.reisner@linbit.com" <philipp.reisner@linbit.com>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux SCSI List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com" <drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com>,
	dm <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	"linux-raid@vger.kernel.org" <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: always use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES for zeroing offload
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:57:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0d2950ea-a1ab-7939-3c8e-d14038839761@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170323225256.GK1138@soda.linbit>



On 23/03/2017 23:53, Lars Ellenberg wrote:
> Thin does not claim to zero data on discard.  which is ok, and correct,
> because it only punches holes on full chunks (or whatever you call
> them), and leaves the rest in the mapping tree as is.
> 
> And that behaviour would prevent DRBD from exposing discards if
> configured on top of thin. (see above)
> 
> But thin *could* easily guarantee zeroing, by simply punching holes
> where it can, and zeroing out the not fully-aligned partial start and
> end of the range.

That's the difference between REQ_OP_DISCARD (only punches holes on full
chunks) and REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES with the REQ_UNMAP flag (punches holes +
zeroes incomplete chunks).

dm-thinp's REQ_OP_DISCARD should not do anything for unaligned parts.
Instead, layers above should use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES (with or without
REQ_UNMAP, as required) if they need zeroes.  dm-thinp would have to
split off the partial chunks, and zero them in the lower-level device
with REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-29 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-23 14:33 RFC: always use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES for zeroing offload Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 01/23] block: renumber REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 16:12   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-28 16:12     ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1490717553.2573.4.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30  8:53       ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2017-03-30  8:53         ` hch
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 02/23] block: implement splitting of REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES bios Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 03/23] sd: implement REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 18:50   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-28 18:50     ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1490726988.2573.16.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-28 19:33       ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-28 19:33         ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-30  2:25       ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30  2:25         ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-29 14:51     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-29 16:28       ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-29 16:28         ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-29 16:53         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-29 16:53           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 04/23] md: support REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 05/23] dm: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 06/23] dm-kcopyd: switch to use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:55   ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-23 14:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 15:10       ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-27  9:12         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27  9:12           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 07/23] block: stop using blkdev_issue_write_same for zeroing Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 08/23] block: add a flags argument to (__)blkdev_issue_zeroout Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 09/23] block: add a REQ_UNMAP flag for REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 10/23] block: add a new BLKDEV_ZERO_NOFALLBACK flag Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 11/23] block_dev: use blkdev_issue_zerout for hole punches Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 16:50   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-28 16:50     ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1490719834.2573.9.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30  8:59       ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2017-03-30  8:59         ` hch
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 12/23] sd: handle REQ_UNMAP Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <20170323143341.31549-13-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-28 16:48     ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-28 16:48       ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-29 14:57       ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]       ` <1490719722.2573.8.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30  9:02         ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2017-03-30  9:02           ` hch
     [not found]           ` <20170330090201.GD12015-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:28             ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 15:28               ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 17:30               ` hch
2017-03-30 17:30                 ` hch
     [not found]                 ` <20170330173020.GB24229-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31  2:19                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-31  2:19                     ` Martin K. Petersen
     [not found]                     ` <yq17f36yypg.fsf-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31  7:18                       ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2017-03-31  7:18                         ` hch
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 13/23] nvme: implement REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 14/23] zram: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 15/23] loop: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 16/23] brd: remove discard support Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 17/23] rbd: remove the discard_zeroes_data flag Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 18/23] rsxx: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 19/23] mmc: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 20/23] block: stop using discards for zeroing Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 21/23] drbd: make intelligent use of blkdev_issue_zeroout Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 22/23] drbd: implement REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <20170323143341.31549-23-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 10:06     ` Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-30 10:06       ` Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-30 11:44       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-30 12:50         ` [Drbd-dev] " Lars Ellenberg
     [not found]         ` <20170330114408.GA15777-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 13:49           ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-30 13:49             ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]             ` <20170330134957.GA508-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:20               ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 15:20                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 23:15                 ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]                   ` <20170330231550.GA3102-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31  2:34                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-31  2:34                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-31  7:17                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 23/23] block: remove the discard_zeroes_data flag Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 17:00   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-28 17:00     ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-29 14:52     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-30  9:06     ` hch
     [not found]       ` <20170330090655.GF12015-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:29         ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 15:29           ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 17:29           ` hch
     [not found] ` <20170323143341.31549-1-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-23 15:54   ` RFC: always use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES for zeroing offload Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-23 15:54     ` Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-23 17:02     ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-23 17:02       ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]       ` <20170323170221.GA20854-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-23 22:53         ` Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-23 22:53           ` Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-29 14:57           ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
     [not found]     ` <20170323155410.GD1138-w1SgEEioFePxa46PmUWvFg@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-27  9:10       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27  9:10         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20170327091056.GB6879-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-27 14:03           ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-27 14:03             ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]             ` <20170327140307.GA13020-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-27 14:57               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27 14:57                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27 15:08             ` [Drbd-dev] " Bart Van Assche
2017-03-27 15:08               ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-30  9:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-30  9:04         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-30 15:12 ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-30 15:22   ` Martin K. Petersen
     [not found]     ` <yq1lgrm3i36.fsf-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:38       ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-30 15:38         ` Mike Snitzer

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