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From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: Kashyap Chamarthy <kchamart@redhat.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: qemu-block@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] Making QMP 'block-job-cancel' transactionable
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 16:29:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0e1c78f3-1b82-58e4-035e-944484e66f29@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170324123458.yk3rj3g47e5xr33i@eukaryote>



On 03/24/2017 08:34 AM, Kashyap Chamarthy wrote:
> While debugging some other issue, I happened to stumble across an old
> libvirt commit[*] that adds support for pivot (whether QEMU should
> switch to a target copy or not) operation as a result of issuing QMP
> 'block-job-cancel' to a 'drive-mirror' (in libvirt parlance, "block
> copy").
> 
> In the libvirt commit message[*] Eric Blake writes:
> 
>     "[...] There may be potential improvements to the snapshot code to
>     exploit block copy over multiple disks all at one point in time.
>     And, if 'block-job-cancel' were made part of 'transaction', you
>     could copy multiple disks at the same point in time without pausing
>     the domain. [...]"
> 

Oh, you want a transactional cancel to basically capitalize on the
second completion mode of the mirror job.

I have never really cared for the way this job works, because I don't
think "canceling" a ready job is semantically valid (it's not canceled!
We completed successfully, just using a different completion mode) --
but if I am in the minority here I would cede that a transactional
cancel would be a worthwhile thing to have.

I think at other points we have discussed the concept of having a
configurable completion mode that jobs could have (and allowing this
setting to be adjusted at runtime) that changes which completion mode
they'll pursue.

This would make a cancel unambiguously a cancellation. It would make a
non-pivot completion to a mirror action an unambiguous success, too.

Minor nit, perhaps, but I want to be sure before we cement the semantics
of how mirror can be "successful."

--js

> I realize that 'block-job-cancel' is currently not part of the
> @TransactionAction.  Is it worthwhile to do so?
> 
> Given the current behavior of QMP 'drive-mirror':
> 
>   - Upon 'block-job-complete', synchronization will end, and live QEMU
>     pivots to the target (i.e. the copy)
> 
>   - Upon 'block-job-cancel', a point-in-time (at the time of cancel)
>     copy gets created, and live QEMU will _not_ pivot.
> 
> I realize that it is not possible to perform a "block copy" of multiple
> disks at the same point in time without pausing QEMU.  From a brief chat
> with Stefan Hajnoczi on IRC, he does confirm that there's no current API
> for doing it atomically across multiple disks.
> 
> Since Stefan asked if a bug exists for adding 'transaction' support to
> 'block-job-cancel', thought I might bring it up here first.
> 
> 
> [*] https://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=commit;h=eaba79d --
>     blockjob: support pivot operation on cancel
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-04-03 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-24 12:34 [Qemu-devel] Making QMP 'block-job-cancel' transactionable Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-03-28 14:49 ` Eric Blake
2017-03-28 15:29   ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-04-03 14:38     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-03 20:29 ` John Snow [this message]
2017-04-03 20:38   ` Eric Blake
2017-04-04 13:28     ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-04-04 13:54       ` Eric Blake
2017-04-11  9:42         ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-11 10:30           ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-04-11 12:05   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-11 13:14     ` Eric Blake
2017-04-11 13:30       ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-12  8:42         ` Fam Zheng
2017-04-12  8:59           ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-12  9:12             ` Fam Zheng

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