From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751215AbdFEOxL (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Jun 2017 10:53:11 -0400 Received: from mga03.intel.com ([134.134.136.65]:39813 "EHLO mga03.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751112AbdFEOxJ (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Jun 2017 10:53:09 -0400 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.39,300,1493708400"; d="scan'208";a="94831689" Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/19] Report power supply from hid-logitech-hidpp To: Bastien Nocera , Jiri Kosina References: <20170327145939.29824-1-benjamin.tissoires@redhat.com> <0cdc8dda-de3f-c3d0-07da-65612860a70f@intel.com> <1496345185.2570.3.camel@hadess.net> <20170602072907.GK1293@mail.corp.redhat.com> <02006322-6be2-f169-497e-06fc010a4bdb@intel.com> <1496668174.2570.33.camel@hadess.net> Cc: Benjamin Tissoires , linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Dave Hansen Message-ID: <0e394f8a-3663-ba4d-f417-e829e10e7356@intel.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 07:53:07 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1496668174.2570.33.camel@hadess.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 06/05/2017 06:09 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> I agree with Dave. If there is no solution found in time for -rc5, >> reverting to previous state would be the proper way to go. > I don't see how it's possible to retroactively fix user-space. It's not possible to retroactively change userspace. That why the kernel tries so hard not to break it in the first place. Although this is in "minor annoyance" territory for me at the moment, this patch causes a clear, user-visible issue with new kernels. The right way to do this is to have the kernel export the data in a way that does not confuse old userspace. Perhaps we should separate out "power supplies that run the system" from "power supplies in a perihperal". And, no, a config option isn't the right thing either.