From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964819AbWGYTNj (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:13:39 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964820AbWGYTNj (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:13:39 -0400 Received: from cattelan-host201.dsl.visi.com ([208.42.117.201]:40951 "EHLO slurp.thebarn.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964819AbWGYTNi (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:13:38 -0400 Subject: Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion From: Russell Cattelan To: Hans Reiser Cc: Jeff Garzik , Theodore Tso , LKML , ReiserFS List In-Reply-To: <44C32348.8020704@namesys.com> References: <44C12F0A.1010008@namesys.com> <20060722130219.GB7321@thunk.org> <44C26F65.4000103@namesys.com> <44C28A8F.1050408@garzik.org> <44C32348.8020704@namesys.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:13:01 -0500 Message-Id: <1153854781.5893.5.camel@xenon.msp.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 2006-07-23 at 01:20 -0600, Hans Reiser wrote: > Jeff, I think that a large part of what is going on is that any patch > that can be read in 15 minutes gets reviewed immediately, and any patch > that is worked on for 5 years and then takes a week to read gets > neglected. This is true even if line for line the 1 week to read patch > is more valuable. What is more is that people know this is > irrational, but aren't able to cure it in themselves. Even I have a > problem of paying too much attention to endless 5 minute emails when I > know I should instead, say, read the compression plugin from beginning > to end. > > There is nothing about small patches that makes them better code. There > is no reason we should favor them, if the developers are willing to work > on something for 5 years to escape a local optimum, that is often the > RIGHT thing to do. > > It is importand that we embrace our diversity, and be happy for the > strength it gives us. Some of us are good at small patches that evolve, > and some are good at escaping local optimums. We all have value, both > trees and grass have their place in the world. > Which is summed up quite well by: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_of_the_bikeshed It seem to be a well know tendency for people to want to be involved in some way, thus keeping to much of the development cycle internal tends to generate friction. -Russell Cattelan cattelan@xfs.org