From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760949AbZB0Vya (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:54:30 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757729AbZB0VyW (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:54:22 -0500 Received: from e2.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.142]:43355 "EHLO e2.ny.us.ibm.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755049AbZB0VyV (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:54:21 -0500 Subject: Re: How much of a mess does OpenVZ make? ;) Was: What can OpenVZ do? From: Dave Hansen To: Alexey Dobriyan Cc: Ingo Molnar , linux-api@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, mpm@selenic.com, Andrew Morton , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de, xemul@openvz.org In-Reply-To: <20090227215749.GA3453@x200.localdomain> References: <1234462282.30155.171.camel@nimitz> <1234467035.3243.538.camel@calx> <20090212114207.e1c2de82.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <1234475483.30155.194.camel@nimitz> <20090212141014.2cd3d54d.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <1234479845.30155.220.camel@nimitz> <20090226162755.GB1456@x200.localdomain> <20090226173302.GB29439@elte.hu> <20090226223112.GA2939@x200.localdomain> <1235751298.26788.372.camel@nimitz> <20090227215749.GA3453@x200.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:54:15 -0800 Message-Id: <1235771655.26788.400.camel@nimitz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 00:57 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 08:14:58AM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 01:31 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote: > > > > I think the main question is: will we ever find ourselves in the > > > > future saying that "C/R sucks, nobody but a small minority uses > > > > it, wish we had never merged it"? I think the likelyhood of that > > > > is very low. I think the current OpenVZ stuff already looks very > > > > useful, and i dont think we've realized (let alone explored) all > > > > the possibilities yet. > > > > > > This is collecting and start of dumping part of cleaned up OpenVZ C/R > > > implementation, FYI. > > > > Are you just posting this to show how you expect c/r to look eventually? > > Or are you proposing this as an alternative to what Oren has bee > > posting? > > This is under discussion right now. Here as in LKML and containers@? Or do you mean among the OpenVZ/Virtuozzo folks? The reason I ask is that we have gone through several rounds of community review over the last few months with Oren's code, and I'd hate to throw that away unless there's something wrong with it. Is there something wrong with it? -- Dave From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dave Hansen Subject: Re: How much of a mess does OpenVZ make? ;) Was: What can OpenVZ do? Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:54:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1235771655.26788.400.camel@nimitz> References: <1234462282.30155.171.camel@nimitz> <1234467035.3243.538.camel@calx> <20090212114207.e1c2de82.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <1234475483.30155.194.camel@nimitz> <20090212141014.2cd3d54d.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <1234479845.30155.220.camel@nimitz> <20090226162755.GB1456@x200.localdomain> <20090226173302.GB29439@elte.hu> <20090226223112.GA2939@x200.localdomain> <1235751298.26788.372.camel@nimitz> <20090227215749.GA3453@x200.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20090227215749.GA3453-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org> Sender: linux-api-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org To: Alexey Dobriyan Cc: Ingo Molnar , linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org, hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org, viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org, mpm-VDJrAJ4Gl5ZBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org, Andrew Morton , torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org, tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org, xemul-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org List-Id: linux-api@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 00:57 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 08:14:58AM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 01:31 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote: > > > > I think the main question is: will we ever find ourselves in the > > > > future saying that "C/R sucks, nobody but a small minority uses > > > > it, wish we had never merged it"? I think the likelyhood of that > > > > is very low. I think the current OpenVZ stuff already looks very > > > > useful, and i dont think we've realized (let alone explored) all > > > > the possibilities yet. > > > > > > This is collecting and start of dumping part of cleaned up OpenVZ C/R > > > implementation, FYI. > > > > Are you just posting this to show how you expect c/r to look eventually? > > Or are you proposing this as an alternative to what Oren has bee > > posting? > > This is under discussion right now. Here as in LKML and containers@? Or do you mean among the OpenVZ/Virtuozzo folks? The reason I ask is that we have gone through several rounds of community review over the last few months with Oren's code, and I'd hate to throw that away unless there's something wrong with it. Is there something wrong with it? -- Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-api" in the body of a message to majordomo-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail138.messagelabs.com (mail138.messagelabs.com [216.82.249.35]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8602B6B004D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e8.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n1RLkvFK018171 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:46:57 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.2) with ESMTP id n1RLsISh192832 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:54:18 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n1RLsIQc007677 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:54:18 -0500 Subject: Re: How much of a mess does OpenVZ make? ;) Was: What can OpenVZ do? From: Dave Hansen In-Reply-To: <20090227215749.GA3453@x200.localdomain> References: <1234462282.30155.171.camel@nimitz> <1234467035.3243.538.camel@calx> <20090212114207.e1c2de82.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <1234475483.30155.194.camel@nimitz> <20090212141014.2cd3d54d.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <1234479845.30155.220.camel@nimitz> <20090226162755.GB1456@x200.localdomain> <20090226173302.GB29439@elte.hu> <20090226223112.GA2939@x200.localdomain> <1235751298.26788.372.camel@nimitz> <20090227215749.GA3453@x200.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:54:15 -0800 Message-Id: <1235771655.26788.400.camel@nimitz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org To: Alexey Dobriyan Cc: Ingo Molnar , linux-api@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, mpm@selenic.com, Andrew Morton , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de, xemul@openvz.org List-ID: On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 00:57 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 08:14:58AM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 01:31 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote: > > > > I think the main question is: will we ever find ourselves in the > > > > future saying that "C/R sucks, nobody but a small minority uses > > > > it, wish we had never merged it"? I think the likelyhood of that > > > > is very low. I think the current OpenVZ stuff already looks very > > > > useful, and i dont think we've realized (let alone explored) all > > > > the possibilities yet. > > > > > > This is collecting and start of dumping part of cleaned up OpenVZ C/R > > > implementation, FYI. > > > > Are you just posting this to show how you expect c/r to look eventually? > > Or are you proposing this as an alternative to what Oren has bee > > posting? > > This is under discussion right now. Here as in LKML and containers@? Or do you mean among the OpenVZ/Virtuozzo folks? The reason I ask is that we have gone through several rounds of community review over the last few months with Oren's code, and I'd hate to throw that away unless there's something wrong with it. Is there something wrong with it? -- Dave -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . 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